[Scarlett.]

I used to like the Union Jack as a flag, but I've started to notice it's repeated use in Xenophobic quarters like the EDL and BNP, as well as in videos like this

Youtube video

Is the flag's message slowly changing?

[fruit_cake]

It's always been used by the BNP ever since I can remember I don't think it's a new thing

[Chuck]

From a foreigner's point of view, wearing clothes with the Union Flag on it means you like rock/indie/punk or you're a teen who thinks smoking, wearing skinny jeans and getting drunk almost everyday makes you look cool.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by chuck.pass

From a foreigner's point of view, wearing clothes with the Union Flag on it means you like rock/indie/punk or you're a teen who thinks smoking, wearing skinny jeans and getting drunk almost everyday makes you look cool.

I wish the connotations of the flag were the same here, all I can think of when I see it is "BNP" :/ which is a shame as it's supposed to show the union of 4 different countries (England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) rather than hatred of other nations.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by chuck.pass

From a foreigner's point of view, wearing clothes with the Union Flag on it means you like rock/indie/punk or you're a teen who thinks smoking, wearing skinny jeans and getting drunk almost everyday makes you look cool.

Unfortunately, as a Brit myself: whilst I agree with the above: I do find it's the latter as well as the thuggish, racist type. Stereotypical view? Absolutely but unfortunately: that's often the case.

It's actually the one thing I hate seeing someone abroad wearing - clothes with their countries flag on it - the only exception being when they're a football game on and their supporting the team - but I loathe seeing them being worn as everyday clothing.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I used to like the Union Jack as a flag, but I've started to notice it's repeated use in Xenophobic quarters like the EDL and BNP, as well as in videos like this


Is the flag's message slowly changing?

No thats just a way of getting your attention.


Our flag is not there Property.

[Livia]

The Union Flag is my national flag and I will not allow it to be hijacked by racists. I'd like to see it flown at every opportunity which I think would allow it to take it back from people like the BNP.

Something that gets me down a bit is the number of times I see the flag flown upside down. I'm sure people wouldn't be pleased if the Stars and Stripes was flown upside down, but hardly anyone notices when the Union Flag is upside down.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by arista

No thats just a way of getting your attention.


Our flag is not there Property.

You're correct, it isn't their property. It's the correlation though that brings down all that the flag represents. It really hacks me off as these same ones are the very ones who drink, eat and cloth, and entertain themselves with products made from all over the world, by the very people they claim to loathe.

Their hypocrisy is surreal.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I wish the connotations of the flag were the same here, all I can think of when I see it is "BNP" :/ which is a shame as it's supposed to show the union of 4 different countries (England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) rather than hatred of other nations.

Thats Your Hang Up.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Livia

The Union Flag is my national flag and I will not allow it to be hijacked by racists. I'd like to see it flown at every opportunity which I think would allow it to take it back from people like the BNP.

Something that gets me down a bit is the number of times I see the flag flown upside down. I'm sure people wouldn't be pleased if the Stars and Stripes was flown upside down, but hardly anyone notices when the Union Flag is upside down.

Good point - flying the flag should be more commonplace - as well as the point about it being flown upside down, with more than just a few not even being aware of it.

[InOne]

It seems to be a problem with the working class and inner city areas. I bet the people who live in the coutryside and the middle and upper classes don't give it a thought at all. Then again they probably don't read The Daily Mail...

[MTVN]

Yeah it does seem to be becoming mainly associated with far right groups tbh, but then that doesn't really surprise me because I think there's a fine line between Patriotism and Nationalism. I wouldn't say it's something unique to Britain either, I tend to associate the American flag with Tea Party and Right Wing types as well

[fruit_cake]

just like the BNP using the union jack, the Spanish flag is also seen by many Spaniards in the same way. The difference being that Franco actually won in Spain, and so his leanings are far more dangerous and not on the fringes of society like the BNP.

I think it's quite common for many countries national flags to be used by various interest groups for propanganda reasons.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

It seems to be a problem with the working class and inner city areas. I bet the people who live in the coutryside and the middle and upper classes don't give it a thought at all. Then again they probably don't read The Daily Mail...

Racism and bigotry isn't exclusive to the working class and inner city areas. If you believe it is, then you aren't as smart as I usually give you credit for.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Racism and bigotry isn't exclusive to the working class and inner city areas. If you believe it is, then you aren't as smart as I usually give you credit for.

Where did I mention racism and bigotry

That's not what I was on about

[Mystic Mock]

No its just that anybody that isnt in the BNP or EDL havent got the guts to put up the flag because they are scared of offending foreigners alot of the time,thats how it worked when I lived in Aston anyway.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Where did I mention racism and bigotry

That's not what I was on about

Oh forgive me, I excluded the word Xenophobia....

Unless of course, none of that was what you were 'on about'.....

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Oh forgive me, I excluded the word Xenophobia....

Unless of course, none of that was what you were 'on about'.....

Nope, you clearly didn't get what I meant

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by InOne

Nope, you clearly didn't get what I meant

It seems to be a problem with the working class and inner city areas. I bet the people who live in the coutryside and the middle and upper classes don't give it a thought at all. Then again they probably don't read The Daily Mail...

There's your quote above.

Now if it wasn't regarding racism and xenophobia (which is what the thread is about, and the ignorant people who show it), then what are you on about.

[MTVN]

I'd imagine it was regarding the Union Jack actually, seeing as that is what the thread is about

[Marc]

Still looks like a few lines on a blue background to me

[Mystic Mock]

Why do racists always look like agressive chavs?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'd imagine it was regarding the Union Jack actually, seeing as that is what the thread is about

Is the Union Jack slowly becoming a symbol for racism/xenophobia.

See the full title of the thread...

I'm quite sure InOne is able to answer more specifically what I asked.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Marc

Still looks like a few lines on a blue background to me

if you mean the flag and how it is flown (ie inverted)....



Correct




Incorrect

[InOne]

It's about how different classes portray the flag.