[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Omah

18 year old "boy", in many cases, but still nominally adult and therefore free to make lifestyle choices, for better or for worse, uninhibited by experience .....

I'm sorry but you're really not making any sense. My original point to Niamh was that, although there'd be exceptions to the rule, I expect (as I'm pretty sure most people do) that the large majority of those who complain are either elderly or parents who are concerned about the type of content their children watch, not 18 year old guys. What 13 year olds and younger children have to do with that, I have no idea. The point I made was about who was complaining, not who people were complaining about the protection of.

Originally Posted by Omah

Regrettably, you sank to the petty insult level first ..... and you're at it again - ......

I don't recall insulting you once before that post of yours in this thread

[Kerry]

Keep ontopic please

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Omah

The "watershed" is NOT an immediate concept - it's a flexible one (see the guidelines issued by OFCOM and all the terrestrial TV channels) to allow viewers without the benefit of your unwavering and lightning control of all the TV channels on all the TVs, PCs and media servers in your house to make their own (somewhat slower, maybe impeded) decisions about equipment and programs in their house .....

Flexibility cuts both ways. For those offended by unwarranted combinations of vowels and consonants, coming up to nine should be the time to prepare yourself to switch off or switch over. Most progs do not finish at 9pm exactly, you can expect your show to finish with a few minutes to spare. So use this flexibility to the best of your pre-watershed ability. There are always killjoys telling the rest of us what we should see, hear and what we should think.

A handful of moaners and complainers should not have undue influence.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by calyman

Flexibility cuts both ways. For those offended by unwarranted combinations of vowels and consonants, coming up to nine should be the time to prepare yourself to switch off or switch over. Most progs do not finish at 9pm exactly, you can expect your show to finish with a few minutes to spare. So use this flexibility to the best of your pre-watershed ability. There are always killjoys telling the rest of us what we should see, hear and what we should think.

A handful of moaners and complainers should not have undue influence.

OTOH, extremists should not hold sway .....

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Omah

OTOH, extremists should not hold sway .....

When you mentioned extremists, I immediately thought of Mary Whitehouse......and of course, others of her ilk. The hypocrisy of faux morality is not for me.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by calyman

When you mentioned extremists, I immediately thought of Mary Whitehouse......and of course, others of her ilk. The hypocrisy of faux morality is not for me.

Some morality is better than none at all .....

[MTVN]

It's odd that it's fine that for Channel 4 to televise full frontal nudity at 8pm yet Ofcom are kicking up a fuss at swearing happening after the watershed

[Omah]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's odd that it's fine that for Channel 4 to televise full frontal nudity at 8pm yet Ofcom are kicking up a fuss at swearing happening after the watershed

What was the incident of "full frontal nudity at 8pm" ..... ?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Omah

What was the incident of "full frontal nudity at 8pm" ..... ?

How to look good naked & Embarrassing Bodies are always allowed to do it

[Omah]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How to look good naked & Embarrassing Bodies are always allowed to do it

OFCOM say :

The inclusion of nudity, sexual behaviour, sexual imagery and references to sex should be editorially justified and defensible by the context in which they appear.

Before The Watershed

Nudity in a sexual context is unlikely to be acceptable before the watershed unless strictly limited, whereas nudity in the context of an item about health or education e.g. a beauty treatment or medical examination, is less likely to exceed viewers' expectations, for obvious reasons, although a flagging should be considered.

Full frontal nudity (both male and female), even in a non-sexual context, is unlikely to be acceptable before the watershed, unless there is a serious educational reason for showing it.

Since I've seen neither of the programs you mention, I can't say whether they stick to the guidelines .....

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's odd that it's fine that for Channel 4 to televise full frontal nudity at 8pm yet Ofcom are kicking up a fuss at swearing happening after the watershed

Yes Ofcom are Odd

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Omah

OFCOM say :



Since I've seen neither of the programs you mention, I can't say whether they stick to the guidelines .....

Not that bothered what the official Ofcom stance is, but given that those programs still get aired I'd presume they don't consider it a problem, just pointing out a strange inconsistency in their guidelines

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not that bothered what the official Ofcom stance is, but given that those programs still get aired I'd presume they don't consider it a problem, just pointing out a strange inconsistency in their guidelines

same as there is on this forum!, it all depends if your a jay or aaron fan!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

same as there is on this forum!, it all depends if your a jay or aaron fan!

Well I'm a Mod and a Jay fan while some other Mods are Aaron fans so I'd say not

[Omah]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not that bothered what the official Ofcom stance is, but given that those programs still get aired I'd presume they don't consider it a problem, just pointing out a strange inconsistency in their guidelines

I see no inconsistency - nudity is not the same as swearing - nudity can be educational or artistic - swearing can be neither

[bananarama]

The raving idiots at Ofcom have generated a broadcasting code that broadcasters have to second guess if or when they are braking it......Ofcom have the intelligence of a rotting rat.

A water shed should be just that clear and defined. It should be the resposibility of parents to ensure a transition time for their children.......But no Ofcom in their usual stupid wisdom creat a set of ifs and buts and what evers for broadcaster to trip over and some moaning half wit that complains to ofcom give the stupid gits the chance to play at being stupid gits......

Ofcom half wits have not yet caught on to the fact of life that young children behind their parents back and some times in front of them swear like bloody troopers.......

The Ofcom silly dick heads are protecting no one from anything........The corruption of the young is already truly embedded in our crazy drug taking knife weilding society.....To late to shut the stable door the horse bolted decades ago.......

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by bananarama

The raving idiots at Ofcom have generated a broadcasting code that broadcasters have to second guess if or when they are braking it......Ofcom have the intelligence of a rotting rat.

A water shed should be just that clear and defined. It should be the resposibility of parents to ensure a transition time for their children.......But no Ofcom in their usual stupid wisdom creat a set of ifs and buts and what evers for broadcaster to trip over and some moaning half wit that complains to ofcom give the stupid gits the chance to play at being stupid gits......

Ofcom half wits have not yet caught on to the fact of life that young children behind their parents back and some times in front of them swear like bloody troopers.......

The Ofcom silly dick heads are protecting no one from anything........The corruption of the young is already truly embedded in our crazy drug taking knife weilding society.....To late to shut the stable door the horse bolted decades ago.......

First real case of some sense I've seen in this thread.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Omah

I see no inconsistency - nudity is not the same as swearing - nudity can be educational or artistic - swearing can be neither

Nudity is worse for TV as it offers nothing.

[thesheriff443]

its never too late,to learn right from wrong!

[Kazakh]

That Ciaran Ferguson certainly had something to say. Probably too forthright for BB. Stick on a ****** and a 18 year old with NICE HAIR!

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

Nudity is worse for TV as it offers nothing.

.... and swearing offers ?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This is beyond pathetic. There's already a ****ing watershed, what more do they want? It doesn't matter whether it's 11 seconds after or not, they adhered to the 9pm watershed guideline and that's that. I wish they'd stop pandering to the wishes of old women who instead of allowing their children to watch these evidently adult programmes which also include prior warnings of such content (if they're really that dim),should do the right thing and either change the channel or send their children to bed, it really isn't that hard.

Censorship in this country is going too far now and this report is utterly laughable.

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

As a mother, I find this very insulting Jack. That article doesn't mention anything about "old women" complaining or anyone else complaining for that matter.

It is very insulting and I suspect, a comment purely designed to be exactly that.

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well I'm sorry if it offended you then, but let's be honest the chances are that most people that complain to OFCOM about anything are either elderly people or the mothers (perhaps fathers) I guess who are supposedly 'worried' about the content their children view. I seriously doubt there is a lot of 18 year old men that complain if they hear the word 'sh*t' at 9:01pm on Big Brother.

I know there'll be exceptions to the rule and I'm aware that yes it's most likely a generalisation, but we're all aware that I'm not the only one that thinks this and that's probably for good reason.

Originally Posted by Jack_

The same for me, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Pretty sure there's been stories in the paper about parents/the elderly complaining

Re the complaints: it's after the watershed - so I'm not sure why anyone should have issues either way. If they don't like it - turn it off - the show always comes with a warning.

With regards to all your other comments Jack: it's about time you got rid of this chip off your shoulder you have when it's about anyone who is over the age of 16........ if you were making sexist, homophobic or racist comments: you'd be infracted - but it's fine to make ageist comments right left and centre just because you feel like being a bit contraversial.

You have NO idea of the demographics of those who complain to OFCOM - but I bet there are plenty stuck up younger generations without kids who are quick enough to do it - just because they can - most mothers/fathers of young kids will be too busy working & running their family lives to spend time phoning/writing/emailing OFCOM.

It's about time you grew up a bit - and realised that some of the ones complaining about those reporting to OFCOM - such as yourself - fall into the teenager bracket - and you are in effect: doing the same thing yourself as you are accusing the older generation of doing.

Bit of irony there Jack - given that you are moaning about the older generation moaning. Time you got that chip off your shoulder: the world is a far nice place without having to lug it around. With or without the expletives that you found it necessary to include in your posts.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Omah

.... and swearing offers ?

Well sometimes it can be funny if used in the right context imo,but no overall I dont think it adds much either but it certainly adds more to a show and in real life than nudity does,like I wouldnt be seeing strangers naked in real life would I.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

Well sometimes it can be funny if used in the right context imo,but no overall I dont think it adds much either but it certainly adds more to a show and in real life than nudity does,like I wouldnt be seeing strangers naked in real life would I.

Depends where you go.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

Nudity is worse for TV as it offers nothing.