[bbfan1991]

Twins and Nicola look bad all of a sudden, none of them were innocent but it was Denise's actions that lead to it but I don't think Denise meant any malicious intent because she just can't handle her drink. Simples..

[Livia]

I'm sure she meant no harm. That's the problem with people like Denise, they drink and it impairs their judgement. And actually, I think all the females looked pretty ridiculous last night.

[Niamh.]

Nicola taking your side is never a good thing She's poison that one

I understand Denise meant no harm by it, but I know, I for one would not like someone (I don't care if they're male/female/drunk or sober) doing that to me and I stand by my opinion that Karissa had every right to be embarrassed, upset and angry about it. I think if Nicola hadn't stuck her oar in though it could have been resolved more easily.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think if Nicola hadn't stuck her oar in though it could have been resolved more easily.

I dont agree there, well I partially agree. When she first came out she tried to remove Karissa from the argument. She hadnt taken sides at this stage... Indeed it was Nicola who tried to cover Denise up when she was making a tit of herself in the tub (pardon the pun) while everyone else just laughed or looked a bit awkward.

I genuinely dont think Nicola wanted to enflame things, but Denise (aided by Frankie) wouldnt let her calm it down even when she asked repeatedly to let her take Kristina away.

Then Denise attacked Nicola in a cowardly way bringing up old and slightly weird stuff about her that wasnt relevant at all. It was then and only then that Nicola went into one a bit and made things worse.

Whole situation was Denises fault to begin with but I honestly believe had Frankie not sat there deliberately winding the girls up (which he admitted to while laughing) then it would have stopped when Nicola first came out.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by RodHull

I dont agree there, well I partially agree. When she first came out she tried to remove Karissa from the argument. She hadnt taken sides at this stage... Indeed it was Nicola who tried to cover Denise up when she was making a tit of herself in the tub (pardon the pun) while everyone else just laughed or looked a bit awkward.

I genuinely dont think Nicola wanted to enflame things, but Denise (aided by Frankie) wouldnt let her calm it down even when she asked repeatedly to let her take Kristina away.

Then Denise attacked Nicola in a cowardly way bringing up old and slightly weird stuff about her that wasnt relevant at all. It was then and only then that Nicola went into one a bit and made things worse.

Whole situation was Denises fault to begin with but I honestly believe had Frankie not sat there deliberately winding the girls up (which he admitted to while laughing) then it would have stopped when Nicola first came out.

Yeah, I suppose that comment she made about them being play boys (so they're basically fair game) would have also hit a nerve with Nicola, her being an ex glamour model and all. I thought that was a pretty revolting thing to say.

I just don't like the way Nicola seems to have jumped ship since she thinks she may have joined the wrong Team after the last evictions.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nicola taking your side is never a good thing She's poison that one

I understand Denise meant no harm by it, but I know, I for one would not like someone (I don't care if they're male/female/drunk or sober) doing that to me and I stand by my opinion that Karissa had every right to be embarrassed, upset and angry about it. I think if Nicola hadn't stuck her oar in though it could have been resolved more easily.

I don't blame Karissa for being angry and upset by it but the double standards used by the Twins and Nicola regarding their careers is hilarious, although Denise had no right to do that.

I could not understand people slagging off the men for not getting involved? For one it is not their argument and second they could try to calm people down, but if they gave an opinion where they make it clear someone is in the wrong it would just wind the other person involved and it would kick off again...

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

I could not understand people slagging off the men for not getting involved? For one it is not their argument and second they could try to calm people down, but if they gave an opinion where they make it clear someone is in the wrong it would just wind the other person involved and it would kick off again...

I sensed that Michael wanted to get involved but only did so to confirm the truth that Nicola asked everyone in the letters task. I think he particularly was very aware that him jumping in would make Denise 10s worse.

Gareth was the one I was let down by, he sat there when the letters task was on and got them all to agree they would let Nicola have her letter before the buzzer even started. He should have jumped in when Denise was flapping her gums about that and corrected her. Not to take sides but to correct a clear untruth.

[Marc]

To be honest, we've all done/said stupid things when drunk. Denise did wrong, but things like that happen and it wasn't even THAT bad. Could be worse.. somebody could have died.. or got hurt... or even lost or limb or something! Those things are real issues.. that was just a stupid thing.

Yeah Denise is a lush, we all knew that.

It's Nicola who riled me up, she didn't need to get involved and I think Frankie and Gareth did well in the sitation. Felt sorry for the other people who weren't involved.. was awkward for them

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by RodHull

I dont agree there, well I partially agree. When she first came out she tried to remove Karissa from the argument. She hadnt taken sides at this stage... Indeed it was Nicola who tried to cover Denise up when she was making a tit of herself in the tub (pardon the pun) while everyone else just laughed or looked a bit awkward.

I genuinely dont think Nicola wanted to enflame things, but Denise (aided by Frankie) wouldnt let her calm it down even when she asked repeatedly to let her take Kristina away. Then Denise attacked Nicola in a cowardly way bringing up old and slightly weird stuff about her that wasnt relevant at all. It was then and only then that Nicola went into one a bit and made things worse.

Whole situation was Denises fault to begin with but I honestly believe had Frankie not sat there deliberately winding the girls up (which he admitted to while laughing) then it would have stopped when Nicola first came out.

Yes this was the turning point, but quel surprise no one is blaming Frankie, everyone is saying Nicola should have kept out, but he should have as well, he was the one that said "let her have her say" when Nicola tried to take her to the garden...and Frankie hadnt been drinking...according the the Twitter Robot...Frankie didnt want to drink that night, so he was cold stone sober riling things up, but because he is a man nobody is talking about him playing a game...but he is...

[saiwong]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

Twins and Nicola look bad all of a sudden, none of them were innocent but it was Denise's actions that lead to it but I don't think Denise meant any malicious intent because she just can't handle her drink. Simples..

I respectivly disagree, I think Denise came off worse last night.
I agree with you that Denise had no malicious intent in her prank but
that doesn't mean it is ok. Denise's prank upset someone and she should
have apologied and not do it again. However, Denise tried to do it again,
and this fanned the flames of an already heated situation.

Just because the Twins did some glamour modelling does not mean that
anyone can pull down their pants when they feel like it.
Giving another example. Denise flashed her boobs in the jacouzii,
but do you think that if Denise was walking down the highstreet minding
her own business it would be alright for joe public to pull up her top to
flash Denise's boobs to all passers-by ? No, of course not, Denise would
be offended and humiliated. So just because you did something in one
scenario does not mean it is ok in all scenarios.

With Nicola, I think she just wanted to defuse the argument and be a
peace maker. However, as another poster said, Denise in an inflamed
state started tit-for-tat insults from stuff way-back to as a way of venting.

I believe overall that post-BB Denise's friends need to sit her down and
explain to her about boundaries and respect for others.

[Monkey Slut]

Originally Posted by Marc

It's Nicola who riled me up, she didn't need to get involved and I think Frankie and Gareth did well in the sitation. Felt sorry for the other people who weren't involved.. was awkward for them

Neither did Frankie though. Nicola tried to take Kristina away and Denise wouldn't let her, she kept bringing stuff up again.....

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Marc

It's Nicola who riled me up, she didn't need to get involved and I think Frankie and Gareth did well in the sitation. Felt sorry for the other people who weren't involved.. was awkward for them

So Nicola trying to remove Kristina was 'out of order' but Frankie by his admission trying to wind up Nicola and Kristina was ok??

He admitted to gareth he did it deliberately and found it funny, as for Gareth he didnt do anything as far as I remember except to tell Denise to shut up and go to bed.

[Cherie]

It was discussed at the top of LW today, and really for women with alot to say for themselves all they could conclude is that "this is not their Densie", and they would like to go in and take her out of the house..and wash Frankies hair....no mention of them wanting her to go on and win it...so Densie looks like your friends have woken up to what you are really like behind closed doors.

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=RodHull;4904091]So Nicola trying to remove Kristina was 'out of order' but Frankie by his admission trying to wind up Nicola and Kristina was ok??I

I dont get that either..

[bbfan1991]

The four people involved are adults and should be able to sort it out themselves.. I don't get why this makes Gareth and co bad for not doing enough if they did not see the incident?

[King Gizzard]

I would like to come out of an argumet smelling with roses instead of a nose

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marc

To be honest, we've all done/said stupid things when drunk. Denise did wrong, but things like that happen and it wasn't even THAT bad. Could be worse.. somebody could have died.. or got hurt... or even lost or limb or something! Those things are real issues.. that was just a stupid thing.

Yeah Denise is a lush, we all knew that.

It's Nicola who riled me up, she didn't need to get involved and I think Frankie and Gareth did well in the sitation. Felt sorry for the other people who weren't involved.. was awkward for them

The trouble is that every time Denise has a drink, there is a drama and she's in the middle of it.

I do love it when you're all riled up though.........

[InOne]

I don't get why Frankie came out of this as some sort of hero? He was an bad as any of them. And his dislike of the twins shone through. Glad he was destroyed by being called a little boy who thinks with his penis

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by InOne

I don't get why Frankie came out of this as some sort of hero? He was an bad as any of them. And his dislike of the twins shone through. Glad he was destroyed by being called a little boy who thinks with his penis

You think Frankie was destroyed? Really?

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I would like to come out of an argumet smelling with roses instead of a nose

You missed the N.

Denise, Nicola and Twins could all argue on a Bed Of Roses!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by JellyFantastic

You think Frankie was destroyed? Really?

I don't think I know.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by InOne

I don't get why Frankie came out of this as some sort of hero? He was an bad as any of them. And his dislike of the twins shone through. Glad he was destroyed by being called a little boy who thinks with his penis

True, although he did tell Nicola a few hometruths e.g. sucking up to Twins after Natalie went but you make new alliances but you can tell they don't trust one another.

Twins were right in what they said about him too and Frankie admitted that he likes to wind them up...

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by JellyFantastic

You think Frankie was destroyed? Really?

Frankie thought those two girls were going to be easy to get off with in there and he saw them as easy just because they did Playboy, how wrong he is now.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Marc

To be honest, we've all done/said stupid things when drunk. Denise did wrong, but things like that happen and it wasn't even THAT bad. Could be worse.. somebody could have died.. or got hurt... or even lost or limb or something! Those things are real issues.. that was just a stupid thing.

Yeah Denise is a lush, we all knew that.

It's Nicola who riled me up, she didn't need to get involved and I think Frankie and Gareth did well in the sitation. Felt sorry for the other people who weren't involved.. was awkward for them

Just seems like more excuses for Denise to me. At the end of the day she was the cause of it all and quickly deflected and put the blame on other people. She tries to pass it off as "you don't get me" type thing, but it's just ridiculous. If she can't control herself around strangers she needs serious help.

[Ammi]

I could overlook Denise's stupid drunken behaviour (at a pinch) the first time...but then there's the second...and the third...fourth...fifth...see why it's difficult