[Semtex]

She doesn't cry for anyone else's feelings, she cries for her own.

[Spring]

Would love Denise to go tonight but the twins are the bad guys with lots yet Denise started it all oooh poor Denise NOT

[kefln]

Originally Posted by cell

You could see the cogs turning in Karissa's (?) head after her pants were down. From laughing at it, then acknowledging the context of the situation and becoming progressively agitated, threatening to sue etc. It comes down to the fact that she doesn't want to show anything on TV she is not paid for. She has mentioned many times needing to have additional contracts (ie. compensation) for "extras" she does not feel BB is entitled to for the pay she received. The OTT reaction was a drunken temper tantrum, I held it on track to their character, it didn't change my opinion of them. But Nicola should take a taste of her "you will watch this back and regret your actions" medicine.

Most people, when something unexpected, or unwanted, happens, your brain goes through a series of reactions. This process isn’t exactly helped by the addition of alcohol.

She was shocked at first, unsure how to take it. But she did stand up and walk away from Denise and let her feelings be known. Eventually broke away from the group and went to the kitchen area, where Denise followed her, the twin asked for it to be dropped. Denise as usual didn’t seem to be listening. The twin then went out to the garden and seemed to get into a real stew about what had happened, stormed into the diary room, where she lost the plot altogether.

It was a logical progression, following the stages of anger. Shock, with a bit of embarrassment, followed by an outburst of rage and with a lot of melodrama thrown in.

My only question on this is if it happened on the normal BB, with a “normal” girl, how would the public react? A 50 something year old woman, with alcohol issues, pulling down a 20 something year old’s pants, during a song and dance? If everyone was honest about it, there would be serious repercussions.

However because of the 20 something year old in question, people are happy enough to pin the blame on her, just as much as the 50 something year old. And that doesn’t make sense.

[Beso]

Considering we CAN'T vote the twins out I imagine they could survive tonight.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

• After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
• When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.

This post is spot on.

Denise did wrong. But rather than walking away from the situation, she kept on and on about it. Then used Nicola as a deflection for her own bad behaviour.

The "argument" became more about Nicola pushing the button than Denise pulling down the pants of one of the twins...

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Angus

Absolutely right. Denise has played the public way more than the Twins have. Denise also plays her husband, her friends and family and her fans, all of whom have enabled her unacceptable behaviour for years to the point that she thinks she can get away with it whenever she wants, and people just have to "forgive" her. Why should Denise seek help for her problems when she has shed loads of apologists explaining on her behalf why she is a poor ickle victim that nobody "gets"? Why is it everyone else's fault that they have no sense of humour and situations go tits up when Denise wants to get rat a*sed and come out to play. Everyone is expected to "understand" Denise - WHY FFS? There's nowt to understand really, she is as shallow as a puddle of cheap wine.

I'm actually starting to feel a bit sorry for Denise because it is abundantly clear that people enjoy laughing AT her - she is a figure of fun now and someone to be pitied, and whose fault is that? I'd say it's the fault of those who continue to make excuses for her, which gives her no incentive whatsoever to seek help for her alcohol addiction. If you're a depressive like Denise, the last thing you need is to be on the sauce continually. It's all going to end in tears if those who care about her don't rein her in. Who will they blame then? Not themselves I bet

Great post.

[Beso]

Who cares. Denise wiped the floor with the scabby Nicola which is all that matters really.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by kizzy

i wish someone would knock the violins off, denise is as scheming, manipulative and self serving as as the other girls. Im not fooled maybe karissa did use a situation to her advantage however who creates all these situations?..denise.

Again spot on.

Most of the "fights" and "uncomfortable" moments of the series have been caused by Denise drinking, then doing or saying something stupid. We then witness Denise crying in a puddle, blaming everyone else and telling the world that no one understands her.

The problem is that we do.

She has a drinking problem and has no sense of boundaries.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Who cares. Denise wiped the floor with the scabby Nicola which is all that matters really.

Yeah...

Denise used the events of a few days ago as ammo to dig herself out of ANOTHER hole. She attempted to shame someone else rather than face up to the FACT that yet again her drinking had caused problems.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by kefln

Yeah...

Denise used the events of a few days ago as ammo to dig herself out of ANOTHER hole. She attempted to shame someone else rather than face up to the FACT that yet again her drinking had caused problems.

They were all drinking.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

Right, I'm going to point two things out because it seems nobody is mentioning them and they seem quite important to me:

• After Denise pulled Karissa's pants down, Karissa went into the kitchen, Denise went over, started kissing her, Karissa said she was pissed about it but Denise kind of brushed off how Karissa felt about it and kept saying "you'll forgive me".
• When Nicola was trying to take Kristina outside to calm her down etc, Denise and then Frankie carried on talking, which led to them coming back in and Nicola getting involved.

Basically Denise doesn't realise when to stop, she just carries on and carries on, she did it with Michael and she did it with Nicola and the Twins. If she had stopped when Karissa was in the kitchen, or even when Nicola was taking Kristina outside then it would have been fine but of course, she didn't...so it wasn't.

Great post... not sure how anyone could disagree with this.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They were all drinking.

Yes they were.

Yet the arguments always evolve around something that Denise says or does...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by kefln

Yes they were.

Yet the arguments always evolve around something that Denise says or does...

A lot of it revolved around Nicola's name calling of Denise.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by parmnion

A lot of it revolved around Nicola's name calling of Denise.

You mean the "liar" comment?

Where a few hours earlier there was a question whether Denise's buzzer was working, or if she was involved in a secret task?

Something that Denise felt so strongly offended by, that she waited for hours, until she got drunk, did something stupid (again), then attempted to play the victim by lashing out at Nicola. Deflecting the responsibility of her actions by shaming someone else?

Pure class, from the bottom of a bottle...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by kefln

You mean the "liar" comment?

Where a few hours earlier there was a question whether Denise's buzzer was working, or if she was involved in a secret task?

Something that Denise felt so strongly offended by, that she waited for hours, until she got drunk, did something stupid (again), then attempted to play the victim by lashing out at Nicola. Deflecting the responsibility of her actions by shaming someone else?

Pure class, from the bottom of a bottle...

She explained why she kept quiet only going on the attack after feeling attacked herself..no big issue for me as she wasn't even that drunk to be fair.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by parmnion

She explained why she kept quiet only going on the attack after feeling attacked herself..no big issue for me as she wasn't even that drunk to be fair.

Exactly she went on the attack when she felt attacked...

The argument started because of Denise.

Nicola tried to get twin #2 out into the garden, but Denise and Frankie kept the fighting up.

Denise then said that she didn't see what the big deal was, because twin #1 "takes her tits out for a living". Which showed her true feelings on the matter and her very unapologetic stance. However that statement enraged ex-glamour model, Nicola. Who quite rightly started to argue that past actions do not make it ok to pull someone's clothes off.

To which Denise started whining and whaling about Nicola pushing the button and been called a liar. This had nothing to do with the original argument, she just used it as ammo to divert the conversation. And it allowed Denise to play the victim, rather than the aggressor.

The woman attempted to shame another woman into silence, rather than deal with her own actions.

Amazing how Denise seems to be clearly able to remember every slight against her. But seems completely unable to understand why her own actions might have been inappropriate. The woman uses the "victim" role so effectively that she uses it to attack.

[rusticgal]

Well done....its not easy to come on here and change opinions without getting a little bit of slaughtering.
I have watched it again too and the twins reaction showed a lot of thoughts about how they could turn the situation into a huge drama.... they are such hypocrites and have such double standards....and Denise maybe shouldnt have done what she did because they are on national TV and she doesnt know them that well to be able to be that risque....however Denise and her pals probably do quirky things like that when she has had a few drinks with her mates and the environment and mood of the night...girlie night etc she probably felt she was amonst some pals and forgot where they were.... harmless fun and I hope that the whole ploy of discrediting Denise backfires on those three bitches and that Denise wins loads of support over it.

I 'have her back' BIGTIME...

[kefln]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well done....its not easy to come on here and change opinions without getting a little bit of slaughtering.
I have watched it again too and the twins reaction showed a lot of thoughts about how they could turn the situation into a huge drama.... they are such hypocrites and have such double standards....and Denise maybe shouldnt have done what she did because they are on national TV and she doesnt know them that well to be able to be that risque....however Denise and her pals probably do quirky things like that when she has had a few drinks with her mates and the environment and mood of the night...girlie night etc she probably felt she was amonst some pals and forgot where they were.... harmless fun and I hope that the whole ploy of discrediting Denise backfires on those three bitches and that Denise wins loads of support over it.

I 'have her back' BIGTIME...

Yes d*mn those twins...they were asking for it...they were hoping for it...thank God there was a 53 year old drunk in there willing to show them whats what...

[Petershaw1984]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Well done....its not easy to come on here and change opinions without getting a little bit of slaughtering.
I have watched it again too and the twins reaction showed a lot of thoughts about how they could turn the situation into a huge drama.... they are such hypocrites and have such double standards....and Denise maybe shouldnt have done what she did because they are on national TV and she doesnt know them that well to be able to be that risque....however Denise and her pals probably do quirky things like that when she has had a few drinks with her mates and the environment and mood of the night...girlie night etc she probably felt she was amonst some pals and forgot where they were.... harmless fun and I hope that the whole ploy of discrediting Denise backfires on those three bitches and that Denise wins loads of support over it.

I 'have her back' BIGTIME...

A few people on this forum could do with watching this episode again as a neutral and then see what tere opinions are on the matter.

I still stand by the Denise did wrong comments but for 3 bitches/cows to then attack her in such a away that the men felt so uncomftorble they stayed quiet is shocking.

I've now decided that a vote for Romeo everyone I've voted for Denise is a vote well spent.

So far I've spent about 10-15 quid saving Denise and about 3 quid saving Romeo. I would be so happy to have Denise the last women standing on Friday.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by pio5ukuk

A few people on this forum could do with watching this episode again as a neutral and then see what tere opinions are on the matter.

I still stand by the Denise did wrong comments but for 3 bitches/cows to then attack her in such a away that the men felt so uncomftorble they stayed quiet is shocking.

I've now decided that a vote for Romeo everyone I've voted for Denise is a vote well spent.

So far I've spent about 10-15 quid saving Denise and about 3 quid saving Romeo. I would be so happy to have Denise the last women standing on Friday.

..somebody definately needs to rewatch it....Karissa was in the diary room the entire time

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Who cares. Denise wiped the floor with the scabby Nicola which is all that matters really.

Denise wiped the floor with all 3 of them ,then along came 19 yr old Frankie and mopped up the dregs

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..somebody definately needs to rewatch it....Karissa was in the diary room the entire time

Never fails to make me laugh, how people rewrite what is before their eyes. Great point Ammi

[Petershaw1984]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..somebody definately needs to rewatch it....Karissa was in the diary room the entire time

When I say three bitches/cows I mean kristinna as 1 bitch and Nicola as the other 2 because she is a Bitch and a 2 faced cow

And oneore thing don't make me watch it again I've already seen it 4 times now. Feels like I was there

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by pio5ukuk

When I say three bitches/cows I mean kristinna as 1 bitch and Nicola as the other 2 because she is a Bitch and a 2 faced cow

And oneore thing don't make me watch it again I've already seen it 4 times now. Feels like I was there

try again...and pay attention this time

[InOne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Denise wiped the floor with all 3 of them ,then along came 19 yr old Frankie and mopped up the dregs

Frankie was destroyed by the less agressive Twin rather easily If Karissa has got to him he would've probably left the house.