[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Exactly, he was just seeking attention. If he knows so much about computers then he would know that this would be prone to becoming viral and resulting into deaththreats. The attention seeker. Parenting skills of a doughnut.

Good god. How can anyone know what will or will not attract death threats. To suggest the father has some extra sensory powers to allow him to see into the future, is ludicrious.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Now.... given all of what you say above: that's very true -because we don't know how the previous behaviour was dealt with so I can understand why you're saying what you are, and why you feel the father was in the wrong.

Personally: I'm taking the view that since father said she'd done this before to the point that she had been grounded, had her pc taken away and had her mobile taken away: I'm inclined to take the view that the usual punishments simply are not having any real effect (otherwise she'd not have written what she did again on FB) - hence the reason that I agree with the father.

Yes, and I do see your stance...from the fathers viewpoint and her own facebook post she would appear to be ungrateful and disrespectful...but imo, he didn't 'address it'...he retaliated...tit for tat...it's just not a style of parenting I personally have ever found effective...and it brings him down to a teenage level himself, rather than educate her on the 'bigger picture' of what her role in the house, the family is and why it's important that she contribute

[arista]

Yes watched it FoxNewsHD



America - Land of the Gun

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Yes, and I do see your stance...from the fathers viewpoint and her own facebook post she would appear to be ungrateful and disrespectful...but imo, he didn't 'address it'...he retaliated...tit for tat...it's just not a style of parenting I personally have ever found effective...and it brings him down to a teenage level himself, rather than educate her on the 'bigger picture' of what her role in the house, the family is and why it's important that she contribute

Does this mean that you've tried it, and when you realised it didn't work - and therefore opten for alternative ways that you found were more effective. Only reason I'm asking is that if so, perhaps that was the point that the father had reached at that stage.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by JH95

But we live in a world were most realise that it is wrong to use violence against their kids anyways. I get why he is pis*ed. I will never deem his reaction as acceptable

wait, so you think this is VIOLENCE?? really?

get a grip.

If this is your idea of "violence" then you are a very naive and ignorant person.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes watched it FoxNewsHD



America - Land of the Gun

Yes, land of the free. Where citizens are trusted to have the same power as the government. It's called LIBERTY. Look it up.

Or maybe you think only the government should be allowed to have weapons? Tell me how that is liberty?

[Me. I Am Salman]

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.

Never again in my entire life will I ever do anything that garnishes this much attention, both positive and negative.

- direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.

Never again in my entire life will I ever do anything that garnishes this much attention, both positive and negative.

- direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

wait, so you think this is VIOLENCE?? really?

get a grip.

If this is your idea of "violence" then you are a very naive and ignorant person.

In fairness to JH95, the violence comment was in reply to my previous comment that I'd far rather see this (dad destorying her laptop etc) - than the father lifting his hands to her ...... and what you quoted there, was in reply to the 'lifting hands to her' .... I'm pretty sure anyway that's where JH95 was coming from.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.
- direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

He's clearly apologizing for the spectacle that's been made(by the media), not for his actions.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.
- direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

He didn't think it would get attention like this, not that he think what he did is wrong

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

In fairness to JH95, the violence comment was in reply to my previous comment that I'd far rather see this (dad destorying her laptop etc) - than the father lifting his hands to her ...... and what you quoted there, was in reply to the 'lifting hands to her' .... I'm pretty sure anyway that's where JH95 was coming from.

oh okay, i misread, thanks for clarifying.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."

Now I'm letting my daughter have her interview with Social Services, so they too can be satisfied that I don't yell at her, beat her, traumatize her, lock her in a closet without food, deprive her of basic human rights, make her cut the grass with scizzors, hunt for her meals in the wild with only a spork, or otherwise fail to provide for my daughter.

taken from his facebook.

see what this has all led to. social services and taunts to the kid etc.
bad parenting indeed.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."

Now I'm letting my daughter have her interview with Social Services, so they too can be satisfied that I don't yell at her, beat her, traumatize her, lock her in a closet without food, deprive her of basic human rights, make her cut the grass with scizzors, hunt for her meals in the wild with only a spork, or otherwise fail to provide for my daughter.

taken from his facebook.

see what this has all led to. social services and taunts to the kid etc.
bad parenting indeed.

bad parenting? really? i think you mean BAD MEDIA.

[Roy Mars III]

It was a somewhat silly thing to do, sure, but he obviously didn't think it would get out of hand. Not really bad parenting though

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Even the father thinks what he did was stupid and OTT.
- direct quote from his facebook http://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii

So Pyramid*, i don't know how you can disagree anymore.

Are you unable to understand what those words you just quoted meant because that is NOT what he says.

Never again in my entire life will I ever do anything that garnishes this much attention, both positive and negative

.

That does not say the father thinks what he did was stupid or OTT. It says about it garnishing so much attention: both positive and negative.

That means he had people for and against his behaviour. He does not say he regrets it - it is the attention that it brought that he is commenting about.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by lostalex

bad parenting? really? i think you mean BAD MEDIA.

but that's sorta the point. responsible parents wouldnt humiliate their children on the big wide web, cos the internet is a risky place.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Does this mean that you've tried it, and when you realised it didn't work - and therefore opten for alternative ways that you found were more effective. Only reason I'm asking is that if so, perhaps that was the point that the father had reached at that stage.

LOL..well not the exact same scenario, with the gun but I'm sure I have at some point been guilty of 'tit for tat' behaviour when, as you say, I've been very disappointed. I would have liked to have knowledge on 'previous' behaviour and consequences to know if the parents had 'tried everything'. I'm probably not the most objective person to comment on this because, working with young people for most of my adult life, I have very definitive training on 'positive assertive' approaches to difficult or anti social behaviour, which I have also practised in parenting and I have found it to be very effective. To make someone feel empathy for others and the effect their behaviour has on others imo is often the most effective. Of course, nothing is 100 per cent proven and there are always people who are 'bad seeds', if you like....but I don't get the feeling this daughter is one of them...but we've only seen the dad's viewpoint and her posting.
.....btw Pyramid, where is the 'death threats' part...I'd like to see the repercussions

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Salman!

I'm ok with you picking on me. And I'm ok with you picking on my posts, but I'm NOT ok with you picking on my kid. Yes, I've already dealt with the local police, who by the way said "From our entire department, Kudo's to you, sir."

Now I'm letting my daughter have her interview with Social Services, so they too can be satisfied that I don't yell at her, beat her, traumatize her, lock her in a closet without food, deprive her of basic human rights, make her cut the grass with scizzors, hunt for her meals in the wild with only a spork, or otherwise fail to provide for my daughter.

taken from his facebook.

see what this has all led to. social services and taunts to the kid etc.
bad parenting indeed.

FGS Salman. Seriously. If you cannot understand why the social services comment has been made, you really aren't understanding much of what is going on.

I note you've chosen NOT to highlight in bold the comment the father had from the local police..... "kudos to you" (ie; well done to the father). Didn't that particular comment suit your agenda.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Aside from the video what parent blatantly shows their child that they carry a gun let alone shoot their child's posessions?? Is he leading an example??? That is no doubt bad parenting.

[lostalex]

Lazy journalism is the problem with the story, not lazy parenting.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

He's clearly apologizing for the spectacle that's been made(by the media), not for his actions.

Thank God you saw and read what is blindingly obvious too.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Aside from the video what parent blatantly shows their child that they carry a gun let alone shoot their child's posessions?? Is he leading an example??? That is no doubt bad parenting.

He clearly lives in a rural area and did not display any dangerous activity with his gun.

Only a pathetic propagandized person would be so disturbed by just the sight of a gun.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Lazy journalism is the problem with the story, not lazy parenting.

Media hype ....... I agree.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Ammi

LOL..well not the exact same scenario, with the gun but I'm sure I have at some point been guilty of 'tit for tat' behaviour when, as you say, I've been very disappointed. I would have liked to have knowledge on 'previous' behaviour and consequences to know if the parents had 'tried everything'. I'm probably not the most objective person to comment on this because, working with young people for most of my adult life, I have very definitive training on 'positive assertive' approaches to difficult or anti social behaviour, which I have also practised in parenting and I have found it to be very effective. To make someone feel empathy for others and the effect their behaviour has on others imo is often the most effective. Of course, nothing is 100 per cent proven and there are always people who are 'bad seeds', if you like....but I don't get the feeling this daughter is one of them...but we've only seen the dad's viewpoint and her posting.
.....btw Pyramid, where is the 'death threats' part...I'd like to see the repercussions

ha... ya daftie. I didn't mean with a gun! God forbid !

No, I mean as in the way you've explained - you've tried it youself and found that it wasn't the best way, it didn't work and found another option.

I'm thinking that the father has tried the 'other option' before and has been left with no alternative but to go down this route now (if you get what I mean).

Death threats... no idea, I believe it was JH95 (I think, cba checking back) that brought that comment into play.