[arista]

Ex-M&S chief (and former shelf stacker) Sir Stuart Rose tells work experience firms to defy protesters

Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/n...#ixzz1nbrPxmZJ


"When I started off in my retail career
as a management trainee in Marks & Spencer’s 40 years ago,
I was put to shelf stacking and indeed to sweeping out the warehouse for a day."





Some of us have Worked our way up
in life.

This is a Fair view from a Top Hard Worker.

[michael21]

i cant see this turning out well for the PM what i say is why make them work for free if shop pay them then the jobless will go down and the youth will have to pay tax i am not running for pm by the way

[fruit_cake]

perhaps M&S can give them a job

Right on Arista. I'm sick and tired of all these have-nots trying to get a fair deal for themselves in times of financial hardship, whilst most of the families have been bailing out bankers that wrecked our economy, these irrelevant little poor people have been having their benefits stripped away, the NHS is on the slope to an Americanisation of health care, where more people file for bankruptcy because of health costs, than any other reason.

The income gap between rich and poor is getting wider by the day. There is no hope for working class citizens of the UK.

This ****ing idiot did one day in a warehouse and thinks he can tell people how tough he had it. It'd be interesting to see what his family wealth his, what schools and universities were paid for by the tax payers, for him to attend, and what gives him the ****ing right to attack people who are fighting to prevent us becoming a 3rd world country.

[Jack_]

The concept of meritocracy is a myth and has many flaws. It's not as simple as 'working your way up' as some people like to make out.

Regardless, these schemes that force the unemployed to work unpaid in return for their benefits is nothing other than disguised slave labour. And no one can live adequately off unemployment benefits alone, so anyone suggesting that is a fool. If you do an honest days work, you should be paid for it - I think it's that simple myself. It's sad that the unemployed are constantly scapegoated for a problem which isn't always theirs, and wasn't their fault. Not all of them are benefit scroungers, and lumping them all into the same category is ludicrous.

[Ammi]

I think this is open to too much exploitation...a decent days work is expected..but a decent wage is not given..it's not a very balanced scale. Maybe they could just work an appropriate portion of the day for the same money....that would be fairer

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

This ****ing idiot did one day in a warehouse and thinks he can tell people how tough he had it. It'd be interesting to see what his family wealth his, what schools and universities were paid for by the tax payers, for him to attend, and what gives him the ****ing right to attack people who are fighting to prevent us becoming a 3rd world country.

We will never be 3rd World.
And Capitalism is here to Stay

Even Blue Labour want it.

You are in Your Own Battle World


Feel The Force

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The concept of meritocracy is a myth and has many flaws. It's not as simple as 'working your way up' as some people like to make out.

Regardless, these schemes that force the unemployed to work unpaid in return for their benefits is nothing other than disguised slave labour. And no one can live adequately off unemployment benefits alone, so anyone suggesting that is a fool. If you do an honest days work, you should be paid for it - I think it's that simple myself. It's sad that the unemployed are constantly scapegoated for a problem which isn't always theirs, and wasn't their fault. Not all of them are benefit scroungers, and lumping them all into the same category is ludicrous.

Very True
Jack.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I think this is open to too much exploitation...a decent days work is expected..but a decent wage is not given..it's not a very balanced scale. Maybe they could just work an appropriate portion of the day for the same money....that would be fairer

Its Nick Clegg that is Pushing this
he is LibDem.

Originally Posted by arista

We will never be 3rd World.
And Capitalism is here to Stay

Even Blue Labour want it.

You are in Your Own Battle World


Feel The Force

The healthiness of a country can be looked at in terms of the disparity between rich and poor. Ours is growing massively.

I'm not anti-capitalism, I'm anti unregulated oligarchy, which is what we've got.

The few at the top have more of a say than the rest of us put together. Sad state of affairs.

[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

perhaps M&S can give them a job

Yes many M&S give the Young jobs


Also John Lewis do
and if you stay with them you get Shares in the Company

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The concept of meritocracy is a myth and has many flaws. It's not as simple as 'working your way up' as some people like to make out.

Regardless, these schemes that force the unemployed to work unpaid in return for their benefits is nothing other than disguised slave labour. And no one can live adequately off unemployment benefits alone, so anyone suggesting that is a fool. If you do an honest days work, you should be paid for it - I think it's that simple myself. It's sad that the unemployed are constantly scapegoated for a problem which isn't always theirs, and wasn't their fault. Not all of them are benefit scroungers, and lumping them all into the same category is ludicrous.

Fantastic post, agree with every word.

I think some people have too much of a knee jerk reaction whenever 'benefits' are mentioned...which is why quite a lot of people support this ridiculous idea of free labour for companies who could afford to pay these people for the same jobs...Some seem to have it in their heads that its the majority that are scroungers, when its not the case at all...its very much the minority.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The healthiness of a country can be looked at in terms of the disparity between rich and poor. Ours is growing massively.

I'm not anti-capitalism, I'm anti unregulated oligarchy, which is what we've got.

The few at the top have more of a say than the rest of us put together. Sad state of affairs.

You need to go to India
or Africa the locals working for a China Crew
work to their bones show.

We Ain't Like that here.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The concept of meritocracy is a myth and has many flaws. It's not as simple as 'working your way up' as some people like to make out.

Regardless, these schemes that force the unemployed to work unpaid in return for their benefits is nothing other than disguised slave labour. And no one can live adequately off unemployment benefits alone, so anyone suggesting that is a fool. If you do an honest days work, you should be paid for it - I think it's that simple myself. It's sad that the unemployed are constantly scapegoated for a problem which isn't always theirs, and wasn't their fault. Not all of them are benefit scroungers, and lumping them all into the same category is ludicrous.

Nicely put.

This scheme is open to blatant exploitation by multi million pound organisations. Many of the companies that use the scheme have a high turnover rate because they treat their staff so poorly. The opportunity for 'free' labour is one that they should never be allowed to exploit.

[Shaun]

yes, stand up to those anti-capitalists and their morals and their ideals.

[billy123]

edited: hey arista

[Kizzy]

Just smile and wave bobnot...(in a sexy M&S voice) these are not people.....these are big brother people.

[MTVN]

That's very condescending of you kizzy

[billy123]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Just smile and wave bobnot...(in a sexy M&S voice) these are not people.....these are big brother people.

I need to learn to do that more.

[joeysteele]

I think the scheme is right in principal but has been implemented wrongly, if Tesco or anywhere else was really employing someone for a full weeks work and paying them only the equivalent of the jobseekers allowance then once found out they could be prosecuted for that.

What is wrong with this scheme is they have to do a full weeks work, had it been they went in for say 2 to 3 hours a day, then fine, that would give them time to get into a working environment and also be seen less as being like slave labour.
Really though, those on the scheme should have been given a higher rate of benefit plus expenses.rather than just the benefit and expenses.

The other major flaw with the scheme is that it is stressed as voluntary,according to the Govt. However if after a week or 2 someone leaves the scheme then they could lose some or all their benefit.
That is not then a voluntary scheme.

The real probem lies with the type of Govt we have at present though.
This policy seems to have been ill thought out like most things from this Govt, that is far more likely because the Lib Dems are looking at what the executive of their party think and the Conservatives are having to look over their shoulders at what the Lib Dems may do.
We were told this coalition would mean strong Govt to sort out the problems of the UK,however while the figures add up when they vote in parliament,the opposite though is more correct, we have one of a near farce as to Govt rather than strong Govt.

David Cameron should have not had his hands tied as to when the next election has to be, a few weeks ago,( just like Gordon Brown in 2007), David Cameron as he was appearing to take on Europe, should have gone to the Country then, he may have got a small overall majority or been very short of one,it may have meant for his party that with DUP support he would no longer need the hypocritical Lib Dems. However with this job scheme now and the big firms finding fault with it, also the crazy, badly presented and badly planned NHS reforms, I feel he has lost bigtime the next election now whenever it comes.
It is the NHS that will lose him that election and the NHS is the final nail in the Lib Dems coffin too.
David Cameron said his would be a listening Govt,well he certainly must hear all the protestations as to his polices such as with this work scheme but one thing is very clear although he certainly hears, he most certainly does 'not' listen.

[fruit_cake]

frankly, this man seems very condescending to me.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Right on Arista. I'm sick and tired of all these have-nots trying to get a fair deal for themselves in times of financial hardship, whilst most of the families have been bailing out bankers that wrecked our economy, these irrelevant little poor people have been having their benefits stripped away, the NHS is on the slope to an Americanisation of health care, where more people file for bankruptcy because of health costs, than any other reason.

The income gap between rich and poor is getting wider by the day. There is no hope for working class citizens of the UK.

This ****ing idiot did one day in a warehouse and thinks he can tell people how tough he had it. It'd be interesting to see what his family wealth his, what schools and universities were paid for by the tax payers, for him to attend, and what gives him the ****ing right to attack people who are fighting to prevent us becoming a 3rd world country.

it makes a change me commenting on one of your post J C lol it is all a sham hey - as if he can have anything important say - we are not all going to be as a fortunate as stewart and be in that postion - understanding is the key - and people that stick there oar in - have none of this.

[arista]

"I think the scheme is right in principal but has been implemented wrongly,"


Yes they need to update it
Nick Clegg loves it , though.



Feel The Force.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bobnot

edited: hey arista

Spiffing

[fruit_cake]

it seems a bit to me that possibly for every Sir Stuart Rose, there are probably 100000000000 others who like him, swept out the factory for a day, but in stark contrast to his 'achievement' are now living on the breadline.