[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

Kizzy, Jesus has said around 5 times why it is generally still used by black people.

And i have said 5 times that is not relevant in todays sociey!
Why are you relying on the evidence of a guy on a forum?....Jesus says...?....PPPFFFT!
If you cannot tell me from your own perspective don't even bother!

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by kizzy

And i have said 5 times that is not relevant in todays sociey!
Why are you relying on the evidence of a guy on a forum?....Jesus says...?....PPPFFFT!
If you cannot tell me from your own perspective don't even bother!

Same can be said for relying on your evidence.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by kizzy

And i have said 5 times that is not relevant in todays sociey!
Why are you relying on the evidence of a guy on a forum?....Jesus says...?....PPPFFFT!
If you cannot tell me from your own perspective don't even bother!

Are you for real?


It's because that is the reason ffs. You are one of these fools who blocks out anything they dont agree with I swear


*sigh*


Night

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah and some Pakistani's do use "P*ki", could even say that some woman do it when they call a friend their "bitch"

do they?...I'll ask tommoz

Originally Posted by kizzy

And i have said 5 times that is not relevant in todays sociey!
Why are you relying on the evidence of a guy on a forum?....Jesus says...?....PPPFFFT!
If you cannot tell me from your own perspective don't even bother!

Can we all get swastikas out now, then? After all, I didn't personally murder any Jews.

The Swastika was a peaceful symbol before the Nazi's co-opted it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Can we all get swastikas out now, then? After all, I didn't personally murder any Jews.

The Swastika was a peaceful symbol before the Nazi's co-opted it.

Well, thats far ad away from the topic in discussion ...hahah

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

No, I can't understand why white people would ever use the word.

so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Is it less bad for a hispanic person to use the N-word?

What if i call a hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

[Shaun]

-can't help but think this thread was created with these outcomes in mind -

Originally Posted by lostalex

so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Is it less bad for a hispanic person to use the N-word?

What if i call a hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

When you have to go out of your way to dream up bizarre scenarios, then you don't really have a point to make in the first place.

[swinearefine]

I think it's fine to use "offensive" words if it's in a lighthearted way and no offense is meant. I think it takes the stigma away from the word and gives it less power. I personally don't let words bother me... they're just words; it's the intention that matters.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

When you have to go out of your way to dream up bizarre scenarios, then you don't really have a point to make in the first place.

bizarre scenarios?? REALLY?? lol.

wow, you are truly naive....

Originally Posted by lostalex

bizarre scenarios?? REALLY?? lol.

wow, you are truly naive....

Really? How so?

With the latest race hate shooting, resulting in the murder of Trayvon Martin, I'd have thought you would be be a little more aware.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Really? How so?

With the latest race hate shooting, resulting in the murder of Trayvon Martin, I'd have thought you would be be a little more aware.

aware of what? what does that have to do with ANYTHING i said, or ANYTHING to do with your response to me?

try making sense.

are you playing stupid like ironically or something? cause it's not cute if you think it is.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's not though. It's acknowledging that white people treated black people abhorrently for much of recorded history, and we created a booming trade in the trafficking and enslaving of black people. A symbol of those times was the word ******.

It's quite right, that we should be respectful enough of the way white/black history is entwined, to voluntarily not have that word in our vocabulary. It's also quite right, that black culture be allowed to "reclaim" that word, and use for themselves for the next couple of hundred years.

If we, as white people even forbid black people to use the word, then we put ourselves back in a position of master, dictating what black people can or can't say. It should be the sole choice of the black community whether/how they use that word.

The shame is ours, not theirs.

I agree with this. I mean I'm not saying that I think we are responsible as such, for things our ancestors did but I don't see what the problem is with showing a bit of respect either for Black peoples history.

I know I for one have no call to use the word ****** in my life and I don't see what the issue of not using it is with people.

[fruit_cake]

I'd never use that word, I think it's a nasty word, even if these days some people use it in a 'positive' sense. In a way using language like that, or other previously derogatory words, it's a bit like opening up Pandora's box.

I'm not really interested in the colour of a persons skin and whether I can or can't use the word with some people or others. Like Niamh seems to be saying, it's best just to avoid the whole issue in my opinion and get on with getting to know the person underneath.

[lostalex]

WHITE people didn't treat BLACK people like anything.


The VAST majority of white epople have never owned a slave (i don't know anyone that has) and the VAST majority of black epople have never BEEN sdlaves (i don't know any) so stop trying to be a racist POS accussing epople of ebing eigther slaves or slave owensers. NO one alive to day has been eigther.

i'm really getting SICK of the RACISM around here that says that WHITE people owned slaves, that VAST majority of WHITE people has NOTHING to do with slavery.

saying WHITE people are responsible for slavery is just as racist as saying that black people are lazy.

If you are not racist then you understand that you should treat peopleas INDIVIDUALS.

there is no such thing as "white people" or "black people". WE ARE ALL INDIVIDIUALS. i really am getting SICK of this racism around here.

[Brother Leon]

Well thank god you don't know anyone who owned a slave.




What with it being abolished in the 1860s...

Originally Posted by lostalex

aware of what? what does that have to do with ANYTHING i said, or ANYTHING to do with your response to me?

try making sense.

are you playing stupid like ironically or something? cause it's not cute if you think it is.

I'll humour your angry internet persona:

so you can't understand why someone singing along with a song would say it?

I'm not interested in thought crime. If you are alone in your house, then go for your life. If you are in the office singing to yourself, or in a karaoke bar, I'd say that would be inappropriate.

You can't understand why someone explaining what someone else said would say it?

If it's on the news, and it's relevant, I could understand that.

There are a million reasons a white person can say the N-word without being racist.

Of course. Saying the word doesn't automatically make you a racist, but it's completely inappropriate to use, and would display a level of ignorance on the part of the user.

The only time it's racist is if you calling a person that word.

No it isn't. Take former republican nominee candidate, Rick Perry. He had a farm, called "niggerhead." That's racist. I know you would like to think the world revolves us now, but we have to accept historical context. It's a question of ignorance.

And also there is not carte blanche for black people eigther. If a black person was being racist and saying that most black people are N-words, and that they are ashamed of their race. Then do you still think it's okay for that black person to use the word?

Yes.

Is it less bad for a Hispanic person to use the N-word?

Hispanics shouldn't be using that word either.

What if i call a Hispanic person the N-word, they arn't black so is it still offensive?

I'm not sure how many times you want me to say that only black people should be using it.

Str8 people seem to think it's okay to call each other F--gots, it's only offensive if you call a gay person that right? So i should be allowed to call a Hispanic the N-word by that logic...

Your point relies on assumptions about straight people, that I don't agree with. I don't use "******" either.

Is it okay for White people to call Hipsanics the N-word?

No.

Let me make this perfectly clear, just in case my other 10 posts in this thread haven't, it's not acceptable for white people to use ****** in our vocabulary. It just isn't. We can get all faux outraged about it all we like, and play victims of perceived "reverse racism", pretending that white people are now being persecuted.

We can do that. But what's the point? I find it truly disheartening that people, in the year 2012, are actually arguing this point. However, people are different so I understand that not everyone will view things in the same way.

I'm a student of history. Now that doesn't make me any better than anyone else, but I have a real appreciation of exactly what happened for centuries, as rich, white men traded people like pokemon cards. Often raping as they went along.

I'm not asking that every white person self harms on a nightly basis in order to pay penance for our forefathers, but I don't think asking us to leave ****** out of our vocabulary is worthy of the contempt that you have on display.

[lostalex]

It's perfectly acceptable for ANYONE to use any WORD as long as it doesn't come from a place of HATE.



There are no PRIVELEDGES for anyone based on race.

No one get's to use special words, no one get's to have a special culture.

what DON'T you understand about the idea of EQUALITY???

[Livia]

Any white person prepared to use the 'n' word, in any context whatsoever, has got to be a dedicated non-thinker with a respect deficit. If black people have chosen to reclaim the word, that's their choice. White people cannot decide what black people will or will not find offensive. I think black people have made it pretty clear that they feel it is okay for them to use the word, and offensive for white people to use it. It's quite easy to understand.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Any white person prepared to use the 'n' word, in any context whatsoever, has got to be a dedicated non-thinker with a respect deficit. If black people have chosen to reclaim the word, that's their choice. White people cannot decide what black people will or will not find offensive. I think black people have made it pretty clear that they feel it is okay for them to use the word, and offensive for white people to use it. It's quite easy to understand.

you are a racist then. you cannot deny that you are,. you have just said that people should be judged on race and not the content of their hearts. therefore you ARE a racist. you just saiud that a black person's opinion matters more than a white person's opinion. That is racist.

You JUST said that you think it's okay for a black person to judge a white person BASED ON RACE. THAT IS RACIST.

if we lived in a fair world, you would get an infraction for being racist. what you just said IS racist. There's no way for you to deny that what you just said is racist.

You just said that people should be treated differently because of race. how is that not racist?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you are a racist then. you cannot deny that you are,. you have just said that people should be judged on race and not the content of their hearts. therefore you ARE a racist.

You JUST said that you think okay for a black person to judge a white person BASED ON RACE. THAT IS RACIST.

I'm a Jew, as you know Lostalex. You're always very quick - hysterically quick - to accuse others of racism, and yet you yourself are one of only two people on this forum who have abused me on the grounds that I'm Jewish. Strangely, the other person was also north American. Never had a problem with a Brit, the question never comes up. I find it highly ironic that the person on here who is always flanting around accusing others of racism is actually a bit of a racist himself.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm a Jew, as you know Lostalex. You're always very quick - hysterically quick - to accuse others of racism, and yet you yourself are one of only two people on this forum who have abused me on the grounds that I'm Jewish. Strangely, the other person was also north American. Never had a problem with a Brit, the question never comes up. I find it highly ironic that the person on here who is always flanting around accusing others of racism is actually a bit of a racist himself.

jewish is not a race. Jewish is a choice, unlike race or sexuality, i know you would love to convince people that jews are an ethnicity though, but it's not.

Religion is a CHOICE. race and sexuality is NOT a CHOICE. so stop trying to play the victim livia.

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's perfectly acceptable for ANYONE to use any WORD as long as it doesn't come from a place of HATE.



There are no PRIVELEDGES for anyone based on race.

No one get's to use special words, no one get's to have a special culture.

what DON'T you understand about the idea of EQUALITY???

A naive idiot? Charming and smart, you're quite the catch. By using the word privilege, you are straight away insinuating through your use of language, that it is white people"allowing" black people to use the word.

It isn't, as white people we have no business using it. Black people aren't restricted by those same rules.

Poor white people, being discriminated against because we can't go round using "******" in our vocabulary.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

jewish is not a race. Jewish is a choice, unlike race or sexuality, i know you would love to convince people that jews are an ethnicity though, but it's not.

Religion is a CHOICE. race and sexuality is NOT a CHOICE. so stop trying to play the victim livia.

And you think others are naive.