[Marc]

Indeed they are.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Marc

Why has Vicky's post been used to start a thread.

Could've kept this in the originaly thread or just PMed each other to debate it

A moderator moved it to a new thread.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

A moderator moved it to a new thread.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Marc

Why has Vicky's post been used to start a thread.

Could've kept this in the originaly thread or just PMed each other to debate it

Because it was being discussed in the video about the woman beating her baby thread, and then Scott made a new thread and people started discussing it in there too, so I moved all the posts here so we weren't having the same debate in different threads

[Marc]

Jesus Matt

[MTVN]

It's just common sense moderating, try it sometime Marc

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Because it was being discussed in the video about the woman beating her baby thread, and then Scott made a new thread and people started discussing it in there too, so I moved all the posts here so we weren't having the same debate in different threads

Sensible Mod.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's just common sense moderating, try it sometime Marc

[Marc]

Maybe I will

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Im standing by what I suggested, it is being trialled for peadophiles ...Voluntary chemical castration. It would be discrimination if the same soloution was not offered to women?...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...tish-jail.html

I was about to launch into a fit of rage before I saw 'voluntary'. I hadn't thought about that and didn't even see the option on the poll, so mistakenly voted to prohibit it completely. But absolutely, so long as they're volunteering and willing for this to happen, I've no problem whatsoever. In fact I think it's quite commendable.

But forcing people to face this kind of treatment - never.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I was about to launch into a fit of rage before I saw 'voluntary'. I hadn't thought about that and didn't even see the option on the poll, so mistakenly voted to prohibit it completely. But absolutely, so long as they're volunteering and willing for this to happen, I've no problem whatsoever. In fact I think it's quite commendable.

But forcing people to face this kind of treatment - never.

You honestly think that the mother of Baby Peter for example, should be allowed to have another child after the hell that she and her cronies put him through?


You seriously think that the mother who killed her child for a human sacrifice should be allowed to bring another child into the world?

I cannot and will not ever comprehend why anyone would not agree such women should not be forcibly sterilised, legally.

[Mrluvaluva]

And so far the results in that poll are:

It isn't a suitable treatment and shouldn't be used 7.91% (124 votes)

It should be used but only on those who volunteer 26.04% (408 votes)

It should be compulsory for child sex offenders 66.05% (1,035 votes)


Total Votes: 1,567

[Marc]

Not sure we can physically sterilise anybody, that's just an extreme violation of human rights. Unfortunately life's a bitch

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You honestly think that the mother of Baby Peter for example, should be allowed to have another child after the hell that she and her cronies put him through?


You seriously think that the mother who killed her child for a human sacrifice should be allowed to bring another child into the world?

I cannot and will not ever comprehend why anyone would not agree such women should not be forcibly sterilised, legally.

No, simply because I think both should be imprisoned for life. At least most of it anyway, if not indeed all of it.

As I've said in this thread already, forcing people to be sterilised just seems very authoritarian and quite fascist to me. Not the kind of place I think we should be living or endorsing in 2012, seems pre-historic. We should all count ourselves very lucky that we have human rights that protect us, and as I have already made clear, I don't think, no matter what, those human rights should ever be compromised on. Nobody should be above them, or else we open the doors to potentially all sorts of abuse.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No, simply because I think both should be imprisoned for life. At least most of it anyway, if not indeed all of it.

As I've said in this thread already, forcing people to be sterilised just seems very authoritarian and quite fascist to me. Not the kind of place I think we should be living or endorsing in 2012, seems pre-historic. We should all count ourselves very lucky that we have human rights that protect us, and as I have already made clear, I don't think, no matter what, those human rights should ever be compromised on. Nobody should be above them, or else we open the doors to potentially all sorts of abuse.

Women can get pregnant in prison you know. There are male staff in female prisons.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Marc

Not sure we can physically sterilise anybody, that's just an extreme violation of human rights. Unfortunately life's a bitch

What other way is there to sterilise anyone other than physically?

[Marc]

Mentally

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Women can get pregnant in prison you know. There are male staff in female prisons.

Yeah, I am aware love. No need to state the obvious.

I'm not entirely sure what happens should a female prisoner become pregnant anyway (if anyone knows and could explain I'd be grateful) but I'd imagine, and hope that it'd be left with the woman's family/partner who are outside of prison, should they accept the responsibility of course. If not surely they're put into care/up for adoption? In which case I'd support such action.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yeah, I am aware love. No need to state the obvious.

I'm not entirely sure what happens should a female prisoner become pregnant anyway (if anyone knows and could explain I'd be grateful) but I'd imagine, and hope that it'd be left with the woman's family/partner who are outside of prison, should they accept the responsibility of course. If not surely they're put into care/up for adoption? In which case I'd support such action.

I'm sure mothers (not all of them) get put on a special wing where they can have the child with them.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'm sure mothers (not all of them) get put on a special wing where they can have the child with them.

So the child has to grow up in a prison alongside the mother? Not quite sure if I'm comfortable with that, assuming they're there for quite a bit of time.

[Mrluvaluva]

Have you never seen "Bad Girls" Jack? Or even Corrie...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

So the child has to grow up in a prison alongside the mother? Not quite sure if I'm comfortable with that, assuming they're there for quite a bit of time.

Im sure they are fine jack...


We as bin in prizon innit?...

[InOne]

BB's Chanelle was born in a prison and she turned out just fine...

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by InOne

BB's Chanelle was born in a prison and she turned out just fine...

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva