[Kate!]

Thanks everyone. The only solution not open to me is to move, because as I said we live near my mum, and most of the other social housing is not as accessible plus I'm damned if I'll let the bastards make me move out.

Scott, yes I do live there, you know how terrible it is don't you?

Vicky - I wish I could borrow you for a few days, lol, I'll supply you with drink, you batter them all into submission

I think I will go to the next surgery of my local MP and demand something be done.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i was there last night (i was going round some guys house for sex) and on gartons lane there was a girl with 2 kids and she only looked about 15

one of the kids was in a pram and the other, a girl who looked about 4/5 was walking with no shoes on and i was just like sigh

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i was there last night (i was going round some guys house for sex) and on gartons lane there was a girl with 2 kids and she only looked about 15

one of the kids was in a pram and the other, a girl who looked about 4/5 was walking with no shoes on and i was just like sigh

[Locke.]

Sounds to me like you might live in Scott's street

[michael21]

[QUOTE=arista;5264896)I would knock them to the ground,
if a group came I would grab one round the neck
if any came towards me he would go purple.
I have done that .
It Worked[/QUOTE]

[Redway]

Just had a read of that thread. I do feel for your situation and there are many other people who have had to cope with that sort of thing.

Just use your diary to report any bad behaviour, giving the time and date. I also wouldn't fight fire with fire. Naturally, I'm the sort of person who isn't afraid to get into physical punch-ups, but given the sort of neighbors you have and how many of them there are you'd be best just leaving the situation and reporting it, rather than attempting to put them in their places by yourself...if they're in a gang there's no way you, one person, can defend yourself, particularly as you mentioned they all come from various families.

I'd convince the people in charge to allow you to move house, too. Just keep tight...it's going to take a while and I know St.Helens is a pretty dodgy area.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

This isn't something I have talked about openly on the forum before, though I have discussed it in chat/pm mode with a few members out of despair, lol.

Myself and my son live in social housing and for the past, well roughly almost four years, we have been suffering terrible and escalating anti social behaviour from the neighbours kids, I'm not just talking one family, there are a few. It's a long time to put up with this sort of thing and to be frank I am pretty much at the end of my tether with it all.

For a start, we don't really fit in on the estate, I'm far from being any kind of a snob, but I just don't like the general mentality, no intentions of working, milking the system, having loads of kids who also are never going to work for a living. The constant foul language in everyday conversation, every other word is F this and B that, and more. The gangs of kids that spit at people as they pass. I exaggerate not. Anyway, being a person who sticks up for herself, I've never shied away from asking people to stop their behaviour. Apparently this was a massive mistake. It shouldn't have been, because any decent people would have reacted reasonably. Since then, in the past few years, it's escalated to the point where I get verbal abuse on a daily basis from kids aged anything from 5/6 to your physically threatening 16 year olds (the girls are worse than the boys) These families are huge. I approached the housing association to see if they could help and got told that it might be better to just let it calm down/blow over as if they got involved it would probably get worse. No help whatsoever. Meanwhile it continues.

I started to keep an antisocial behaviour diary, and handed it in to the Police Station. My estate has a dedicated Police Station base in the middle, it's like Beirut on a night. Of course, the Police then act on what is put down in these diaries, and hey presto, the abuse steps up a notch. Last Winter my son and myself had been to the LaserQuest Arena in the town centre and it was late when we came home, we were both physically assaulted by two youths from one of these families, who I took to court and guess what they got? 30 hours of community service.

It's still ongoing and this weekend I have finally snapped, my son came in really really upset, some of the younger kids in one of the families had been shooting at him, bare arms and face, with those BB pellet guns. He had run home and came in, in a right state. He's been brought up not to hit other kids and he's a respectful lad. I was absolutely livid. I went out and over to the house. Within two minutes, literally, the street was full of these families who have been causing all this, must have been 25/30 people there, all shouting the odds AT ME! Let me tell you I gave as good as I got, and lost my temper completely, told them what I thought in no uncertain terms.

The response, "they are only kids" was all they could come up with.

My argument was that they shouldn't have these guns/ be supervised, but basically I was wasting my breath and they didn't give a ****. I was threatened physically, and said i was going to report it to the police.

Again, the typical response "there's a lot of us and one of you, we'll all say you're lying".

Next thing, someone had actually been down to the Police Station and they arrived.

Outcome, I was taken home by a female officer while the two male officers told them all to wind their necks in. They then came to talk to me and said because I'd kicked off in retaliation they couldn't/wouldn't do anything further and I should think twice before standing up to them again. One of the male officers said "You'd better calm down or you'll be arrested" to me. Knobhead.

I want to take this further, so what do I do? Has anyone reading ever experienced stuff like this? What would you do?

Kate, if this kind of thing happens again( shooting bb guns) don't confront them - call the police and say they have fire arms ! they will have to attend immediately and it does not matter if they are BB guns - it is totally against the law to fire any weapon at anyone - even if it is a BB gun and "they are only kids" also contact your Chief constable by letter stating how dissatisfied you are with the local officers response, TV progs such as neighbours from hell are worth contacting too, I would also send a copy of my letter to the CC to my MP.
Are you renting privately, housing association or is it a local council property ?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Thanks everyone. The only solution not open to me is to move, because as I said we live near my mum, and most of the other social housing is not as accessible plus I'm damned if I'll let the bastards make me move out.

Scott, yes I do live there, you know how terrible it is don't you?

Vicky - I wish I could borrow you for a few days, lol, I'll supply you with drink, you batter them all into submission

I think I will go to the next surgery of my local MP and demand something be done.

Sorry you have to go through that, Kate! I think investing in a camera outside your house is an excellent idea. You'll have evidence to back up your claims in case they hassle you again.

[hijaxers]

Kate also if i were you i would buy a dictaphone and start taping the response from the police -how dare they say you could be arrested - i always tape with a dictaphone in my pocket if its something in or under dispute as people lie, police included - It is their job to protect you and making idle threats about arresting you - well i would have the evidence on tape waiting to show the useless constables up for what they are - USELESS !!

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Kate, if this kind of thing happens again( shooting bb guns) don't confront them - call the police and say they have fire arms ! they will have to attend immediately and it does not matter if they are BB guns - it is totally against the law to fire any weapon at anyone - even if it is a BB gun and "they are only kids" also contact your Chief constable by letter stating how dissatisfied you are with the local officers response, TV progs such as neighbours from hell are worth contacting too, I would also send a copy of my letter to the CC to my MP.
Are you renting privately, housing association or is it a local council property ?

Unfortunately the police don't act in a manner you might think they should act. I had a weapon firing incident and reported to the police and all they did was try to make excuses about what is allowed to be used from a persons back garden. Yes they tried to justify the use of a type of gun putting dents into metal objects let alone flesh and blood should that get targeted.

As others have realised the law and indeed the police are next to useless when it comes to anti social behavour......One can record all the evidence you like and even if some sort of conviction occures the punishment won't be sufficient to deter.......That my friend is the sad fact of life in this anti social behavour infested country.

I know the poster said she cannot move the only next best thing to do is keep a low profile (not confrontational) to reduce the stress. CCT cameras or not the louts will not be scared of any conviction it's simply something to boast about for them and they will continue their behavour.

Recording police conversations may sound like a logical good idea to challenge police action as inadquate. However the poster must be aware going against the police could mean them co-operating with her complaints even less than they do now. They will be vindictive towards her I can assure you of that.....

I had my car stolen just over a year ago and when reporting the loss to the police I was treated more like a suspect rather than a victim. While waiting for my interview with the police I overheard the police talking to a thug that had hit his girl friend round the head with a kettle as if he was just a harmless naughty little boy......

Anyone who has faith in the police must have mug stamped on all over their person......

[Marc]

You shouldn't have to put up with it all Kate, it's terrible that kids these days result to crime and pestering other residents. It's awful

The police just don't do enough

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Scott

i was there last night (i was going round some guys house for sex) and on gartons lane there was a girl with 2 kids and she only looked about 15

one of the kids was in a pram and the other, a girl who looked about 4/5 was walking with no shoes on and i was just like sigh

The poor guy

[Niamh.]

That sounds awful Kate If it was me I would probably move, I know you shouldn't have to but if it is that bad then surely your own sanity, safety and peace of mind should come before anything else?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

all of the sutton area is nasty though ha2

blackbrook is really quiet my sister lives there and everyone on her street is like 90 you should move there

[Z]

I've no idea about the legality of recording people from the safety of your home but that CCTV idea is a good one, if it's legal. Research it online, speak to the police about that idea if you think it won't do you any harm to do so, or perhaps speak to your local MP or councillor or someone in some sort of political position who will have some kind of idea as to who you can speak to about your situation... I'm trying to think of things that won't cost you any money. It's shameful that the police won't do anything though.

[Kate!]

Thanks again everyone. It's good just to be able to sound off about it.

I'm the sort of person who will stand my ground with bullies, but I'm like jelly inside and because I have anxiety issues I feel ill afterwards and usually end up really distressed. Don't let them see it though.

Omg Scott, you were literally round the corner if you were on Gartons Lane. Least you live on the good side of town and were only visiting. Lol.

[InOne]

Maybe write to your local MP and possibly the local paper? Best thing is to kick up a massive fuss. Sounds awful what you're going through Sadly though a lot of estates are like that, massive families that have been there for years and think they own the estate.