[BBUKAUSFAN]

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Step away from your computers and you idealistic ideas and opinions on people which are always not true.

Arron and conor are just messing around, and you people look far to deep into situations. Seriously Get a ****ing life.

[coolface]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

i say this as a man there attitude towards the girls is disgusting they make them sit on the floor then throw lots of vile abuse at them. Arron clearly idolizes Conor and copies everything he does so to me he's just a brain dead sheep but Conor is a real nasty piece of work theres no excuse for the things he says and does he's just a nasty bully that gets a kick out of picking on women i can only hope no woman goes near him when he gets out .

whilst I agree with the rest of your post, why is this a big deal, should the girls automatically get to sit in the chair because they're girls and the boys have to sit on the floor because they're boys? it's like women who expect you to give up your seat on the bus for them because you're a man, doesn't sound like equality to me

[Roy Mars III]

lol

[Yayita]

Domestic violence isnt only physical, don't miss the main point. Emotional and mental abuse can be worst than a punch in the face.

[smeagol]

their families must be so proud lol. everybody wants bullies as sons. must be very uncomfortable viewing for them sometimes. or i hope it is or they are tossers too.

if you dont like a woman there's no need to ridicule belittle bully them and treat them like scum just to make youself seem big which is what arron and connor do regualy. they arn't men they are low lifes who need to try it on a guy and see what happens. but they wont as bullies are cowards and men fight back.
embrassment to everybody they are. even the fans they had. especially arron

[Yayita]

Originally Posted by smeagol

their families must be so proud lol. everybody wants bullies as sons. must be very uncomfortable viewing for them sometimes. or i hope it is or they are tossers too.

if you dont like a woman there's no need to ridicule belittle bully them and treat them like scum just to make youself seem big which is what arron and connor do regualy. they arn't men they are low lifes who need to try it on a guy and see what happens. but they wont as bullies are cowards and men fight back.
embrassment to everybody they are. even the fans they had. especially arron

Well said!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by coolface

whilst I agree with the rest of your post, why is this a big deal, should the girls automatically get to sit in the chair because they're girls and the boys have to sit on the floor because they're boys? it's like women who expect you to give up your seat on the bus for them because you're a man, doesn't sound like equality to me

I agree, it seems it is only wrong and something to get at if men don't give up ther seats,

I am all for equality but mutual respect needs to be there too, these people the 2 guys and the 2 gilrs detest each other.
I pointed out somewhere on here, that I offered my seat to a woman standing on a bus I was on and got,''I am capable of standing''. really polite that was I am sure.

I have seen people get on the bus who are really elderly and women still sitting never moving from the seat to offer it up.

The odd things is also, no one critices the maltesers advert where 2 guys are sleeping on the sofa and the 2 women are sitting on the floor,
that advert is not a world away from preference really, a lot of my female friends rarely sit on the chairs or settee,they prefer to be on the floor.
I generally sprawl out on the floor to watch TV too.It's not that bad a place to be.

My own Mum for instance,loves sitting on the floor, with the dog beside her,it has never been thought or even considered that Becky and Deana likely maybe didn't want to sit close to Arron and Conor and chose to sit there anyway.

[smudgie]

As a parent I would find their behaviour very embarassing, uncouth, foul mouthed and badly behaved in general. Also very immature for their age.

On the same noie I would feel the same way about a couple of the girls in there as well.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree, it seems it is only wrong and something to get at if men don't give up ther seats,

I am all for equality but mutual respect needs to be there too, these people the 2 guys and the 2 gilrs detest each other.
I pointed out somewhere on here, that I offered my seat to a woman standing on a bus I was on and got,''I am capable of standing''. really polite that was I am sure.

I have seen people get on the bus who are really elderly and women still sitting never moving from the seat to offer it up.

The odd things is also, no one critices the maltesers advert where 2 guys are sleeping on the sofa and the 2 women are sitting on the floor,
that advert is not a world away from preference really, a lot of my female friends rarely sit on the chairs or settee,they prefer to be on the floor.
I generally sprawl out on the floor to watch TV too.It's not that bad a place to be.

My own Mum for instance,loves sitting on the floor, with the dog beside her,it has never been thought or even considered that Becky and Deana likely maybe didn't want to sit close to Arron and Conor and chose to sit there anyway.

Detest each other...why's that then?
As deana said she has never had a convo with conor, so why has he built up this massive dislike for her from?
Arron does change and is polite and chatty to both women when conor isn't around.
He is the instigator of most of the aggression and animosity in the house imo.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Detest each other...why's that then?
As deana said she has never had a convo with conor, so why has he built up this massive dislike for her from?
Arron does change and is polite and chatty to both women when conor isn't around.
He is the instigator of most of the aggression and animosity in the house imo.

As Deana said that you point out rightly, she has never had a conversation with Conor, yet when asked by the public who she would evict on friday she answered Conor,???

So she is making her judgements of Conor on what she has seen him do and heard rather than learned for herself, just the same as he has done as to her too, hence the reason they likely detest each other.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

As Deana said that you point out rightly, she has never had a conversation with Conor, yet when asked by the public who she would evict on friday she answered Conor,???

So she is making her judgements of Conor on what she has seen him do and heard rather than learned for herself, just the same as he has done as to her too, hence the reason they likely detest each other.

Of course she would say conor, if I were a HM and someone suggested they would punch me and shove a brush up my lady garden I would probably want them out too....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Of course she would say conor, if I were a HM and someone suggested they would punch me and shove a brush up my lady garden I would probably want them out too....

People on here claim she doesn't know that he said that though.
Anyway, I was totally surprised she didn't say Arron and I actually applaud her for that.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

People on here claim she doesn't know that he said that though.
Anyway, I was totally surprised she didn't say Arron and I actually applaud her for that.

She nominated Arron.

[Marcus.]

i would not let the to wemen sit on the floor i would let them sit on the chair and i sit on the floor

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBUKAUSFAN

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Step away from your computers and you idealistic ideas and opinions on people which are always not true.

Arron and conor are just messing around, and you people look far to deep into situations. Seriously Get a ****ing life.

You understand the concept of this being a BB forum, right?

[Mystic Mock]

I agree OP, and all I keep hearing about off people is that if this is the new generation of men then im worried about the future, sadly not all of us are like that but it's just vocal twats like Conor that gives young guys a bad name.

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by The Mockinator

I agree OP, and all I keep hearing about off people is that if this is the new generation of men then im worried about the future, sadly not all of us are like that but it's just vocal twats like Conor that gives young guys a bad name.

i would not act like them the are really bad i would let the ladies go though first then let them sit down on the chair then i would of sit down

[robb]

Originally Posted by Yayita

Domestic violence isnt only physical, don't miss the main point. Emotional and mental abuse can be worst than a punch in the face.

Forget the sitting on the floor bit. It was the imbecilic behaviour of the two little boys that will mean one of them (pity it isn't both) will get the bullet tonight, me hopes.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bigbrother12

i would not act like them the are really bad i would let the ladies go though first then let them sit down on the chair then i would of sit down

I've got to be honest but only if I liked the person would I give up a seat for them.

But I wouldn't make a womans life a living hell, or anyones for that matter.

[AnnieK]

I wouldn't expect any man to give up their seat for me (although the offer would be nice) so I don't think that is a problem and IMO its pretty sexist for people to say that guys should give up their seat for a woman (we are equals after all) - they are all able bodied and young so as far as I am concerned it would be first come first served on the chair - it would be different if someone was injured / heavily pregnant etc etc but not in these circumstances

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

As Deana said that you point out rightly, she has never had a conversation with Conor, yet when asked by the public who she would evict on friday she answered Conor,???

So she is making her judgements of Conor on what she has seen him do and heard rather than learned for herself, just the same as he has done as to her too, hence the reason they likely detest each other.

AFTER he said she was fake. I would say him too if he'd behaved to me the way he has with her, he's been constantly on her case yet he's never actually had a proper conversation with her.

[Yayita]

Originally Posted by robb

Forget the sitting on the floor bit. It was the imbecilic behaviour of the two little boys that will mean one of them (pity it isn't both) will get the bullet tonight, me hopes.

Completely agree, it was despicable!

[fruit_cake]

I don't think they should have to give up automatically their seat because they are men, it's not like Deana and Becky are old and decrepit or anything.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Angus

Absolutely right! I spent 10 years with a guy whose behaviour escalated out of control to the point I woke up one night to find a knife to my throat and only by the grace of god am I still here. That was my tipping point and I left the same day with my kids when he was out of the house. He went from a charming guy to a monster as soon as his ring was on my finger, and it escalated from snide, nasty, derogatory comments and put downs to physical violence. We all walked on eggshells for fear of angering him. His silent rages were terrifying. He would not allow me to see my friends and family without threatening to beat them up, and in those days domestic violence was not taken seriously so I was isolated and friendless. That's what bullies do - isolate to intimidate. It took me years to rebuild my confidence and self esteem, and my kids needed all my love and attention so I remained single for a long time for fear of inflicting another aggressive bully on them.

Bullies and wife beaters always blame their partners "she provoked me", "she pushed my buttons" blah blah, it's called deflecting the blame for their own vile behaviour and total lack of self awareness and self control. They are not men, just cowardly, pathetic excuses for men.

I know it's next to impossible for someone who has had no real dealings with this type of situation in their lives to understand where we are coming from on this topic, so I don't want to be at odds with anyone on the issue, it's good that it can be discussed and awareness raised.

I appreciate that much as Novo disagrees with me on this and thinks I am taking it too seriously (which I again don't want to criticise because I don't expect him to know how much the whole thing has affected my life, tbf) he did come into this thread and listened, which surprised me, and acknowledged that he didn't understand so fair play there.

In response to you Angus, I identify completely with what you say above, and your description of how it is to live with DV. Domestic Violence is to some extent a misnomer (misleadingly named) as it covers everything from verbal abuse, confidence destroying, mind games, and more.

I went through the entire range, stage by stage, from my early to my late twenties, and really feel I lost a huge part of my life (maybe why I still act like I'm in that age range sometimes, rather than 40 something, cough, ahem )

Started out with the little criticisms and put downs. When we went round to his parents house he used to sit in the armchair and I had to sit on the floor, which is a big part of why the BB Footage triggered my reactions last night.

Moved on to isolating me slowly from my friends, and even trying to undermine my relationship with my family, they want you completely dependent on them and so you won't challenge what is happening. Very often alcoholism is a huge factor, was in my case, he had to drink all the time, and I lived on my nerves never knowing when he was going to flip.

5 years down the line and here are some examples of things he did.

Would make breakfast and I'd sit at the table, he would then throw mine on the floor, or put salt all over it to make it uneatable, and sit there eating his, smiling.

Once I came in from having spent an hour with a friend chatting over a coffee to find he had rigged up a noose in the living room and said he was going to kill himself because I made his life such a misery, and I would have to live with that.

Towards the end, before I found the strength to leave, he started to bring a knife to bed and would say, that's for if you get on my nerves.

When I was pregnant with my son Josh (I was now 27 years old) he smashed a glass and went for my face, fortunately I put my hands up in reflex, and he was drunk so missed but still cut my hand very badly, I had to have plastic surgery on my left hand, my third finger is scarred, I had to have skin grafted from the inside of my palm to cover the gash.

Those are a few of the lovely things he did, and as he said, it was all my fault for making his life hell, I pushed him to it

I've been open about the fact I have suffered DV on the forum, but never given any detailed descriptions, so it's a bit draining to do so here. I just want to try and put across how horrific it is, and it does in fact start with the type of behaviour currently happening in the house.

To reiterate, for the people who think Arron and Conor are just acting up, well yes they may well be. I am not and never was implying that they are, or are likely to become abusers, just that what is going on reminds me strongly of things and is uncomfortable to watch.

I do think their behaviour is abhorrent and they are not very nice people, but that is just my opinion and others feel differently, I accept that. It's very telling though, that the vast majority of people are indeed disgusted by said actions.

I'll leave it there.

[Mystic Mock]

That must have been horrible *Kate*.

I have got to say why would he enter a relationship with you if he just wanted to abuse you though? although I don't think I can ever understand the logic of psychopaths but there you go.