[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Matt

So tonight I discovered that the old Razzies ceremony threads from 2008, 2009 and 2010 have been mysteriously deleted from the forum. The explanation from the mods is as follows: "They were deleted by admin and mods for the drama that kicked off afterwards."

That's right - dormant threads from two, three and four years ago have suddenly been deleted for no good reason. Fair enough if they'd been locked for no further posts, but that's three years of effort from both me and you down the drain.

For FOUR YEARS there's been no major problems with the Razzies, but now it seems they're the biggest burden ever, and I'll be damned if I'm wasting any more of my time on a forum game that's clearly not going to see the light of day past December.

So, given this and the drama over the opt-out list, this year's ceremony is now cancelled - sorry to the majority of you who were looking forward to them.

Omg! I hope the opt-out drama you're referring to isn't Novo's text to me? It was just a joke

[Mystic Mock]

I agree Matt, past games are normally good to look back on so it's not fair that they was deleted.

[GypsyGoth]

If anything it's the normal everyday threads here that cause the most drama. Arguments break out in ones about the weather or puppies. It seems a shame to single out The Razzies.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Matt

I'm sure you'd be just delighted if every game you've ever run was deleted from the forum simply because they got a little heated

I don't care anymore, the point is they shouldn't have been removed in the first place

Fair enough, I would be, but to blame us is out of order. All we did was answer your question.

[Benjamin]

If you follow my suggestion and ask admin if they can be restored, they may do it. It's worth asking before getting in a rage and cancelling everything.

[Marsh.]

Isn't there archives of old versions of the forum?
Surely they could be retrieved somehow.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Omg! I hope the opt-out drama you're referring to isn't Novo's text to me? It was just a joke

Not a problem, I meant the drama that led to me introducing the opt-out list

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Fair enough, I would be, but to blame us is out of order. All we did was answer your question.

Again I'll say that when you're not aware exactly who's responsible you'll speak in general about the whole staff, because you know it's got to be one of them. At that point I wasn't aware, and to be fair, your explanation stated that "They were deleted by admin and mods", which itself is a generalisation.

Obviously I'm now well aware who deleted them.

Originally Posted by ukturtle

If you follw my suggestion and ask admin if they can be restored, they may do it. It's worth asking before getting in a rage and cancelling everything.

It's not about getting them back, it's about them being deleted in the first place.

I don't see any reason to put effort in to a game (and Shaun and Dezzy know exactly how much effort I went to this year) if moderators are going to make up the rules behind my back, and if the results are clearly inevitably going to end up deleted (I haven't even mentioned the 2011 ceremony which hasn't been seen since the day it took place).

It's just a waste of time, and I'm not going to waste any more of my time.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Matt

Not a problem, I meant the drama that led to me introducing the opt-out list




Again I'll say that when you're not aware exactly who's responsible you'll speak in general about the whole staff, because you know it's got to be one of them. At that point I wasn't aware, and to be fair, your explanation stated that "They were deleted by admin and mods", which itself is a generalisation.

Obviously I'm now well aware who deleted them.




It's not about getting them back, it's about them being deleted in the first place.

I don't see any reason to put effort in to a game (and Shaun and Dezzy know exactly how much effort I went to this year) if moderators are going to make up the rules behind my back, and if the results are clearly inevitably going to end up deleted (I haven't even mentioned the 2011 ceremony which hasn't been seen since the day it took place).

It's just a waste of time, and I'm not going to waste any more of my time.

Please stop blaming the mods. Admin made the decison. I've been a host, i know how much effort goes into games, but you need to take this up with admin.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Please stop blaming the mods. Admin made the decison. I've been a host, i know how much effort goes into games, but you need to take this up with admin.

And you please stop saying I'm blaming the mods when I'm only explaining the reasons I made a generalisation (which you're partly responsible for).

Especially when I've already made it clear who I'm blaming:

Originally Posted by Matt

Obviously I'm now well aware who to blame (*cough*James*cough*)

I'm not taking it up with admin, I've already spoken to admin about the opt-out list. If anything admin should be taking it up with me and explaining what the hell the bloody problem is.

[Shaun]

What's the actual point? Was there a thought in James' head that said "oh crap, so-and-so might read up on the 2009 Razzies and reinstigate that argument about webcams"?

And even if there was something salacious or controversial, do you think deleting the thread is going to make it go away?

I shouldn't be surprised, this is coming from an admin that thinks swearing is so naughty, but whatever. Sad times.

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

If anything it's the normal everyday threads here that cause the most drama. Arguments break out in ones about the weather or puppies. It seems a shame to single out The Razzies.

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that said, Matthew, bloody do it or I'm divorcing it's worth the night, tbh, even if it gets closed the next day

[Ammi]

..I think that’s a shame..not only for you Matt, obviously but for everyone else as well...

...I don’t think I’ve fully understood the Razzies before, but as a very wise person has pointed out...forums, life..everything in general has good stuff and bad stuff....if you try to have one (eg ML etc) without balancing it up with the other..it won’t make the bad stuff go away..it’ll only make it seep more into other parts of the forum...and possibly cause more bad feeling and arguments than the Razzies ever could have.....

..people not being able to express their views never makes for a good environment..and they won't be held in anyway, they'll just find another outlet.....

[CharlieO]

dick move from mods/admin

but like bit of an overreaction

[thesheriff443]

i can see both sides,but this forum is going down hill in my opinion.
people like my self and other's wont bother posting!.
its like being back at school!

[Marc]

Oh.. cancelled.

-presses back space on Lee's name-

[Livia]

So sorry, Matt. I thought it was all going to be a bit of a laugh and treated light-heartedly by the majority... but it seems not. Scuppered before it starts.

[Jake.]

[Jake.]

Sorry to hear that Matt, a real shame but 100% see where you are coming from

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

dick move from mods/admin

but like bit of an overreaction

Yeah it wasn't us..........

Shame Matt, I always enjoy the Razzies

[Black Dagger]

Urgh.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah it wasn't us..........

Shame Matt, I always enjoy the Razzies

... and I had you nommed for loads of categories too Niamh... I'm gutted, me....

[AnnieK]

Aw what a shame, I was looking forward to seeing these unfold....being a newbie this year I haven't seen them before.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Livia

So sorry, Matt. I thought it was all going to be a bit of a laugh and treated light-heartedly by the majority... but it seems not. Scuppered before it starts.

It is considered a laugh and treated light hearted by the majority but the minority ruined it with the whole 'opt out' shyte

[Marcus.]

it was going to be my firsy rassies

[Novo]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i can see both sides,but this forum is going down hill in my opinion.
people like my self and other's wont bother posting!.
its like being back at school!

I'm going to miss your interesting conversations with Vanessa

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Karl

It is considered a laugh and treated light hearted by the majority but the minority ruined it with the whole 'opt out' shyte

Yes... I imagine that's true. Shame.