[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Theres no denying that some strains do benefit those with muscle/ joint problems.
Others are said to lead to the advancement of any underlying psychological conditions.

Few vices come with no health risks, Marijuana's risks are probably among the least damning. If you're worried about the health angle then you are better off going after smoking and drinking since they will kill far more people then Marijuana ever will.

[InOne]

I wonder if they'll end up having "Little Amsterdam" districts.

[Stu]

Oh a Cannabis thread. I better post something long and correct.

The controlled, nerd tastic "what's in my dope and what does it feel like rubbed against my nose under a bright light?" Marijuana culture that America is cultivating also means you can deduce which pot will turn you into a nutter and which won't.

The increasing psychosis theme that permeates Cannabis news stories is occuring because the growhouse trend of guerilla growing by unscrupulous dealers who don't care about the product is leading to a huge influx of strains that are high in the racey, spacey THC whilst the other important component of the plant CBD is being whittled out to near zero per cent levels.

CBD is an anti anxiety chemical that mediates the effects of THC and protects the brain from it. It is highly medicinal and medical strains that are high in it kick ass. I hate high THC strains. I can smoke like a G but they drive me mental at times too. Mind you I have lots of friends who have nothing better to do but sell me good stuff that's relaxing.

I've been stoned since about 2007. It's been brilliant. I've quit pretty much everything else.

[BBfanUSA]

I actually like this idea. BUT the US Federal Gov't's Food and Drug Administration isn't too happy about this. I dunno if this will be overturned to be no tho. The public said yes.

Also in unrelated news both Seattle and Denver are now in a never ending thick fog.

[iRyan]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But from the lighter drugs you can go to the heavier ones. I've seen it happen.

Yes this can happen, but the majority of the time it doesn't. I know tons of people who are regular marijuana users but wouldn't dare touch any hard drugs.

I think it's great Marijuana is legal in 2 states now, I actually didn't expect it to happen so soon. I think people are finally beginning to realize the facts: marijuana is far less harmful than alcohol and tobacco.

[Urban Cragou]

Wise news. Cigarettes and alcohol are far more dangerous than cannabis so going by some of the logic on this thread, should we ban those as well?

[reece(:]

The Rastafarians will be foaming at the mouth.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Stu

Oh a Cannabis thread. I better post something long and correct.

The controlled, nerd tastic "what's in my dope and what does it feel like rubbed against my nose under a bright light?" Marijuana culture that America is cultivating also means you can deduce which pot will turn you into a nutter and which won't.

The increasing psychosis theme that permeates Cannabis news stories is occuring because the growhouse trend of guerilla growing by unscrupulous dealers who don't care about the product is leading to a huge influx of strains that are high in the racey, spacey THC whilst the other important component of the plant CBD is being whittled out to near zero per cent levels.

CBD is an anti anxiety chemical that mediates the effects of THC and protects the brain from it. It is highly medicinal and medical strains that are high in it kick ass. I hate high THC strains. I can smoke like a G but they drive me mental at times too. Mind you I have lots of friends who have nothing better to do but sell me good stuff that's relaxing.

I've been stoned since about 2007. It's been brilliant. I've quit pretty much everything else.

I agree Cannabis is great in moderation but be careful as one day in the future years possibly decades from now you will have a prolonged break from smoking weed ( for whatever reason) and after you have gone through the inevitable withdrawal, you will sit down and take stock of things. You will and I can promise you this look round and wonder where the ***** your life went..!!!

You will possibly wonder where all your plans for the future went..!!!

And sadly you will like thousands of other people wonder was it such a good idea to live in a Foggy, Dopey dreamlike state and waste all the good years of your youth.

Sorry to get so heavy but long term heavy cannabis use is a fools paradise...!!!!

[SharkAttack]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Few vices come with no health risks, Marijuana's risks are probably among the least damning. If you're worried about the health angle then you are better off going after smoking and drinking since they will kill far more people then Marijuana ever will.

Still have those carcinogens that you're smoking in a cig. It's a cleaner cig, really, with added benefits.

As an ex-smoker, I'd suggest brownie form, and in moderation(whatever that is).

<moves back to Seattle>

[SharkAttack]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree Cannabis is great in moderation but be careful as one day in the future years possibly decades from now you will have a prolonged break from smoking weed ( for whatever reason) and after you have gone through the inevitable withdrawal, you will sit down and take stock of things. You will and I can promise you this look round and wonder where the ***** your life went..!!!

You will possibly wonder where all your plans for the future went..!!!

And sadly you will like thousands of other people wonder was it such a good idea to live in a Foggy, Dopey dreamlike state and waste all the good years of your youth.

Sorry to get so heavy but long term heavy cannabis use is a fools paradise...!!!!

I tend to agree with this, Nedusa (the bolded part mostly). I like to be clean of anything for several months at a time, and just sort of take in life. Good stuff. It's OK to indulge from time to time, IMHO. Medicinally, it does work. My 60+ year-old in-laws in Washington are most likely planting in their greenhouses as we speak, unless they're already harvesting. Heh. Always thought it was funny when I showed them their farm on Google Satellite maps with incredible detail and they seemed nervous.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree Cannabis is great in moderation but be careful as one day in the future years possibly decades from now you will have a prolonged break from smoking weed ( for whatever reason) and after you have gone through the inevitable withdrawal, you will sit down and take stock of things. You will and I can promise you this look round and wonder where the ***** your life went..!!!

You will possibly wonder where all your plans for the future went..!!!

And sadly you will like thousands of other people wonder was it such a good idea to live in a Foggy, Dopey dreamlike state and waste all the good years of your youth.

Sorry to get so heavy but long term heavy cannabis use is a fools paradise...!!!!

"Because everyone's story turns out like mine".

It's not for everyone but certain people can get away with being stoned all the time. Others if it wasn't for Cannabis would have their lives ruined by cheeseburgers. I live out of home, have a job, play four musical instruments, I'm in and out of film productions in the city and I do really crap poetry at a nice bar called the Lakeside every Monday night,

I'm sorry you didn't have the common sense at the time to see that dope wasn't for you. Maybe you were just a loser?

[Livia]

This is not in response to what Stu just wrote, I was going to say this anyway:

Without cannabis we'd be missing some pretty spectacular art, film, music and literature. I'm a fan and can see no reason for it to be banned in a society that allows virtually unlimited access to alcohol. I know people who have never touched any kind of narcotic and yet live their life in a rudderless haze on caffeine and self-pity.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Stu

"Because everyone's story turns out like mine".

It's not for everyone but certain people can get away with being stoned all the time. Others if it wasn't for Cannabis would have their lives ruined by cheeseburgers. I live out of home, have a job, play four musical instruments, I'm in and out of film productions in the city and I do really crap poetry at a nice bar called the Lakeside every Monday night,

I'm sorry you didn't have the common sense at the time to see that dope wasn't for you. Maybe you were just a loser?

I'm sorry....." Maybe you were just a loser" ??? That's a bit harsh don't you think , I was only trying to show that heavy cannabis users "think" everything's great in their lives until they stop using and take stock of how little they have actually achieved.

I hope your use is moderate and does not stop you from getting on with your life, others are not so fortunate and unwittingly forsake a normal life in return for living in a spaced out dreamworld....!!!!

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

others are not so fortunate and unwittingly forsake a normal life in return for living in a spaced out dreamworld....!!!!

you could the same for people who watch Russell Howard's Good News really

[Niall]

Great news. I'm so happy that more governments around the world are finally realising that taking the drugs out of the hands of the unregulated and dangerous dealers is the way forward.

[Ramsay]

tbh

[Kizzy]

Without laudanum we would have missed a lot too, can't see that legalised anywhere anytime soon
Alcohol is a major contributor to problems with antisocial behaviour, why exacerbate this by throwing those who abuse cannabis into the mix?

[Tom4784]

Cannabis doesn't bring out aggression in people though, Alcohol is pretty much more dangerous in every single way.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Few vices come with no health risks, Marijuana's risks are probably among the least damning. If you're worried about the health angle then you are better off going after smoking and drinking since they will kill far more people then Marijuana ever will.

..I tend to agree with this..for the most part marijuana is renowned for having more of a positive effect...of course there are exceptions to this and there are cases of acute paranoia etc..but I feel that those cases are due to the individual's existing anxieties and not because of the marijuana itself..it may enhance them, but it's down to the 'user' to realise that it isn't for them....as in the case of all other things, not everything is right for everbobody....but that doesn't mean to say that the overall effect of something isn't more positive than negative or that marijuana should be seen as a 'cause' for a flaw which is underlying in the individual and not the substance itself....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Cannabis doesn't bring out aggression in people though, Alcohol is pretty much more dangerous in every single way.

Alcohol is only dangerous if you abuse it, and I don't believe for a second that cannabis breeds wonderful serene human beings..
In my experience those who have regularly used over time become paranoid.
We are advised not to drive or operate machinery whilst taking certain medications as they could cause drowsiness and dull reactions, would cannabis not do this?

Originally Posted by kizzy

Alcohol is only dangerous if you abuse it, and I don't believe for a second that cannabis breeds wonderful serene human beings..
In my experience those who have regularly used over time become paranoid.
We are advised not to drive or operate machinery whilst taking certain medications as they could cause drowsiness and dull reactions, would cannabis not do this?

It's all about the person, Kizzy. I used to blast it as a kid and could always function pretty well. Even if I was in a daze at times. Then as I got older and started clubbing and experimenting with other drugs, "da erb" became part of the chill out session at the end of the night/next morning.

Like any drug, prescribed or otherwise, reefer madness isn't for everyone. Of course people shouldn't be using heavy machinery if stoned, but if it was legalised, then companies would be able to better monitor their employees. My brother is in a senior position at Jaguar, and his production staff are regularly tested for drugs.

Not everyone who smokes weed turns paranoid, just like not everyone who drinks becomes an alcoholic. Different strokes, for different folks.

[Ammi]

..as would most things if they are overused/abused...extremes are never a good idea..whether it be junk food/painkillers/alcohol etc..marijuana is one of the lesser harmful substances....the 'mental' effects tend to be inherent in the 'user'..and it doesn't have the potential physical effects as alcohol or nicotine do.....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's all about the person, Kizzy. I used to blast it as a kid and could always function pretty well. Even if I was in a daze at times. Then as I got older and started clubbing and experimenting with other drugs, "da erb" became part of the chill out session at the end of the night/next morning.

Like any drug, prescribed or otherwise, reefer madness isn't for everyone. Of course people shouldn't be using heavy machinery if stoned, but if it was legalised, then companies would be able to better monitor their employees. My brother is in a senior position at Jaguar, and his production staff are regularly tested for drugs.

Not everyone who smokes weed turns paranoid, just like not everyone who drinks becomes an alcoholic. Different strokes, for different folks.

..well, a very good day to you JHC...I hope you are fit and well...'long time no see'...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..as would most things if they are overused/abused...extremes are never a good idea..whether it be junk food/painkillers/alcohol etc..marijuana is one of the lesser harmful substances....the 'mental' effects tend to be inherent in the 'user'..and it doesn't have the potential physical effects as alcohol or nicotine do.....

It's impossible to say that it is a 'lesser harmful' substance as like you say it is down essentially to tolerance levels and inherant factors, as well as the strain used.
9/10 cannabis is smoked though, therefore the user is at the same risk from carcinogens as tobacco smokers.
Hello jeebs
I doubt employers will welcome this change then, how will it affect them..
Will they still be able to carry out these tests for a legal substance?
One major difference is if you are an alcoholic if you stop then your organs recover, once a psychological change has occured it's irreversible.
To me that's what makes it more dangerous.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Alcohol is only dangerous if you abuse it, and I don't believe for a second that cannabis breeds wonderful serene human beings..
In my experience those who have regularly used over time become paranoid.
We are advised not to drive or operate machinery whilst taking certain medications as they could cause drowsiness and dull reactions, would cannabis not do this?

There's an air of double standards here Kizzy, Alcohol's okay because it's only dangerous if abused but Cannabis isn't acceptable even though the health risks involved are nowhere near as bad?

The people you have known have probably used bad batches, Stu's earlier post pretty much deals with the paranoia bit quite handily. It's caused by bad plants rather then the drug itself. Places in which it's legalised most likely have regulations and guidelines when it comes to growing plants correctly.

As for your last point, if that's the case then why not ban aclcohol since drink driving is a lot more prevalent. You can't really make a point against Cannabis without inadvertently making a more damning case against Alcohol.