[arista]

Was on SkyNewsHD, Bloomberg , BBC News


He has pointed out
In or Out of What?
He has stated Europe is changing
and for the next 5 or 6 years
we need to see if it is Fair.

Now all this is after 2015
if he is in power.



Labour has Stated No Way will they do that
they do not trust the UK Peoples Voice.


"Landmark speech at Bloomberg in Central London
sets timetable for historic vote"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2Imnm1WOd

"Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande plan to put
forward proposals for deeper economic
and monetary co-operation in May " - To stay Alive


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/b...ndum-live-blog

[joeysteele]

I still think it's a massive gamble, however opinion seems to be moving slowly more to staying in than coming out of the EU.
I cannot though see him winning the next election with an overall majority so he is near for sure unlikely to be able to deliver such a referendum.

He risks opening up a great divide in the Conservative party too and divided parties do not do well in General Elections at all.
In such a referendum, I would vote to stay in anyway.
Risky and unwise,he has been badly advised on this in my opinion.

You can't trust the voice of the people unfortunately. This issue has been lied about, and the people have been mislead. Talk to the man on the street about Europe, and they'll feed you all the tabloid talking points.

I doubt many people even mention trade. This is such an emotive subject, that an honest debate will never be had.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You can't trust the voice of the people unfortunately. This issue has been lied about, and the people have been mislead. Talk to the man on the street about Europe, and they'll feed you all the tabloid talking points.

I doubt many people even mention trade. This is such an emotive subject, that an honest debate will never be had.

I agree with that. The public will never likely get a balanced argument especially from the media as to this issue. That's why I think he would be wrong to go down this route.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I still think it's a massive gamble, however opinion seems to be moving slowly more to staying in than coming out of the EU.
I cannot though see him winning the next election with an overall majority so he is near for sure unlikely to be able to deliver such a referendum.

He risks opening up a great divide in the Conservative party too and divided parties do not do well in General Elections at all.
In such a referendum, I would vote to stay in anyway.
Risky and unwise,he has been badly advised on this in my opinion.

But this Stops UKIP
messing Election numbers up
they have gone down in the polls , now.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You can't trust the voice of the people unfortunately. This issue has been lied about, and the people have been mislead. Talk to the man on the street about Europe, and they'll feed you all the tabloid talking points.

I doubt many people even mention trade. This is such an emotive subject, that an honest debate will never be had.

Now the BBC can now do loads of QT Specials on it
and The LibDems before getting in Power
wanted this.


British People have a Right to Vote On It.
Unless Labour have Power
Then they do not.

Originally Posted by arista

Now the BBC can now do loads of QT Specials on it
and The LibDems before getting in Power
wanted this.


British People have a Right to Vote On It.
Unless Labour have Power
Then they do not.

The British people elect politicians who take decisions on our behalf on a daily basis. This is no different.

Not many people are interested in politics or watching QT, but most of the country would spout a load of bollocks about Europe controlling our country to send money to Greece.

[Livia]

I don't know enough about it yet to make an informed decision.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know enough about it yet to make an informed decision.

Yes that is Fine.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

The British people elect politicians who take decisions on our behalf on a daily basis. This is no different.

Not many people are interested in politics or watching QT, but most of the country would spout a load of bollocks about Europe controlling our country to send money to Greece.

Sure
well we can have it in a MTV debate
And Every Ch.

Even kids

[joeysteele]

I am all for getting a better deal from the EU and I agree with the already laid down legislation that any more transfer of powers from the UK to the EU has to be put to te people in a referendum,however, I still believe that in an in/out referendum the anti EU brigade will be more likely to make the effort to go out and vote in a referendum.

That is the danger, we will have had an election in 2015,or sooner if this really angers the Lib Dems enough.
The voters will not wnat to be trooping out again 2 years on to vote in yet another referendum,look at the farce of the AV vote referendum.

This PM could go down in history as the one who broke up the UK should the Scots vote for independence then recklessly walked us out of the EU with all the likely economic uncertainty and dangers that may come from that.

All parties are in favour of getting a better deal from the EU,there is little argument there perhaps if David Cameron is really genuinely interested as to what voters think, he should ask them what they want re-negotiated rather than what he wants,or more to the point what the more extreme wing of his party wants.

This to me is a saving exercise for his own career, not something that is wholly in the National interest.
There are so many people who still have little understanding of the workings of the EU that 4 years is not going to make much difference and as for TV debating, well we got plently of near lies from Politicians and false promises in all those during the last election.

However, I can see Labour also promising,by the time of the elction a pledge to also re-negotiate a better deal with the EU and also to hold a referendum of sorts.

Despite what has happened as Govts promising and then not delivering Europe referenda in the past, it is in fact Labour who are the only party ever to deliver a referendum on Europe.
Even when negotiating entry to Europe and going in,(in the early 70s), the Conservatives held no referendum on the final deal even then.
They don't have a good track record as to going back to the voters when they say they are likely to.

I do think it will bring back some voters from UKIP to the Conservatives, not enough to win an election outright.
However I think from the further austerity measures still to come in this year and next, the voters will have many other grievances and things affecting them on their minds than a vote as to Europe being the decider as to how they will vote.

[arista]

No Joey
Labour has Said No to
In or Out.
They do Not Trust the British Voter


A classic time - back in 1971


"This PM could go down "
sure Joey
But I do not agree with your Horror view.

[Marc]

out.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marc

out.

there is a Legal voter for 2017

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No Joey
Labour has Said No to
In or Out.
They do Not Trust the British Voter


A classic time - back in 1971


"This PM could go down "
sure Joey
But I do not agree with your Horror view.

I would hope you are right on the last comment arista and that I am wrong.

As to the frist comment,with over 2 years to the next election it is amazing what parties decide once an election looms.
I recall Labour being dead against again any electoral reform, however they announced they would hold a referendum on the AV vote at their conference before the General election.
If Labour see an in/out referendum as a vote winner,it would not surprise me to see a dramatic u turn as to one.
They will also be able to argue they are in fact the only party ever to hold a referendum on Europe.

The next 2 years are going to be interesting politically to say the least.

[arista]

"If Labour see an in/out referendum as a vote winner,it would not surprise me to see a dramatic u turn as to one."

Thats a Big If
today Labour said No again.


Labour has run away from this
And UKIP now has no place

[MTVN]

I don't expect the Conservatives to be in power to carry this out and certainly not with an overall majority, if this does ever happen though I think when it comes down to it most people would want to stay in, as would I although I do support Cameron's attempt to restructure our relationship with Europe

[Nedusa]

Just a thought regarding this debate, since the decision to go into the "Common Market" was taken back in 1973 people voting then would have to be at least 18 yrs so anyone born after 1956 onwards would not have been eligible to vote.

So everyone aged 57 and below has never had a say in whether we should go in or stay in Europe. Well thats a very large proportion of the electorate so large in fact that I would argue we MUST have a new vote and give everyone the right to exercise their democratic choice...!!!

[arista]

"PM Cameron's EU referendum pledge leaves Labour in turmoil as Miliband refuses to support 2017 vote despite backbench support"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2IoFUIAgY

See Joey
Labour Do not Trust the British Voters

It Matters

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't expect the Conservatives to be in power to carry this out and certainly not with an overall majority, if this does ever happen though I think when it comes down to it most people would want to stay in, as would I although I do support Cameron's attempt to restructure our relationship with Europe

I'd be amazed if the majority of British people wanted to stay in. Europe is the root cause of all our problems according to most of the tabloids, which is where a high proportion of the voters will be getting their information from.

Originally Posted by arista

"PM Cameron's EU referendum pledge leaves Labour in turmoil as Miliband refuses to support 2017 vote despite backbench support"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2IoFUIAgY

See Joey
Labour Do not Trust the British Voters

It Matters

Nor should they. They are elected to govern, not to push it back on the people. When they are signing agreements with other nations, or issuing sanctions on Iran in our names, they don't ask our opinions first.

It's red meat for the base.

[arista]

"Nor should they. They are elected to govern"


Yes but on Europe it Angers so many
So Labour say No.

Conservatives say Yes to a Public Vote


Former Un Elected New Labour PM Brown
got caught on Europe with that old Lady Gillian that stopped him
then the SkyNews Mic caught what he thought of that bigot. (thats his choice of word)

Originally Posted by arista

"Nor should they. They are elected to govern"


Yes but on Europe it Angers so many
So Labour say No.

Conservatives say Yes to a Public Vote


Former Un Elected New Labour PM Brown
got caught on Europe with that old Lady Gillian that stopped him
then the SkyNews Mic caught what he thought of that bigot. (thats his choice of word)

Labour don't represent my views. The Iraq war caused a million people to march on the capital and nothing happened. No one got a vote on that, and the conservatives weren't screaming that the people should choose then, either.

Politicians only want to do these things when they think they'll win. It's an illusion of democracy.

[Livia]

I think a major factor in this is that a lot of die-hard Conservative voters, and indeed members, are defecting to UKIP. I know this because they're taking the trouble to let the party know how displeased they are with their stance on not only Europe, but gay marriage, cuts to the armed forces, tax breaks for the richest... a whole host of areas where the government are shooting themselves in the foot on almost a daily basis. The Conservatives did promise a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and lots of people were upset that they didn't get that (although the treaty had already been ratified by the time they came to power and it would have been a waste of time). At first glance, this looks to me like a desperate attempt to win back the party faithfull who have already crossed over to UKIP.

[the truth]

good news lets withdraw as far as possible...i dont beelieve for a milisecond european comapnies wont trade with us because we havent signed up to every eu bill....its scare mongering by a bunch of tax dodging free loading civil rights abusing control freaks. im a brit get me out of here