[King Gizzard]

(and ITVHD so arista is happy)

Couldn't find a thread. Part one has already aired (and got a figure of 4.5m viewers) and you can watch it here https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/inside...es-1/episode-1

Really interesting I thought/think, the guy who got 170 years or something like that for killing 2 women at the age of 13, not being able to experience anything normal people do growing up, deserves it probably, just sad, he seems quite pensive and remorseful about it and a changed man

and as everyone probably knows I don't agree one bit with capital punishment and this didn't change my view on that, and some of the sentences are a bit ridiculous but for some crimes we could do with taking America's approach

[King Gizzard]

The second episode is more about the procedure and I think they talk to the guy who slit a 4 year old girls throat :/

[MTVN]

Oh I meant to watch this after reading an article on it but forgot about it in the end

[Drew.]

a 170 year sentence given to a 13 year old isnt right.. i doubt he's ever had much education before and its scary how intelligent he is now.. i dont think anyone can say they are the same person that they were when they were a kid (13) its horrible to see he's wasted his life and hasn't had the chance to put his intelligence to use with a career outside.

I spent the whole time watching it imagining i was watching Prison Break again and trying to see the similarities, That series was so good!

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Drew.

a 170 year sentence given to a 13 year old isnt right.. i doubt he's ever had much education before and its scary how intelligent he is now.. i dont think anyone can say they are the same person that they were when they were a kid (13) its horrible to see he's wasted his life and hasn't had the chance to put his intelligence to use with a career outside.

basically what I was gonna say but thought i'd be lynched

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Nathan

basically what I was gonna say but thought i'd be lynched

leave me to do your dirty work for you

[Ramsay]

I know he was a kid when he did that but i just wouldnt feel right having him back on the streets...i will watch the programme though, it does look interesting

[Drew.]

Pretty sure if you did the crime he did in the UK you'd just be given a new identification at that age

[King Gizzard]

Served his punishment and learned from it yes, but yeah, not sure he would integrate back into society that well

[Drew.]

Yeah hes learned from it

The most interesting bit was the barbers that's running inside the prison and its run by inmates.. Scissors and scarp objects in there yet no violence or any trouble for 30 years i think

[King Gizzard]

would be a bit of a cheap blow, and I doubt they let the really psychotic/death row guys in there

[AnnieK]

Some of the prisoners woul really struggle if released into normal society. It's like that guy from shawshank, the prison life is their way of life and they wouldn't cope with life in the outside. American justice is so tough..

[Drew.]

Yeah thats true, i bet some psychos have tried sneaking in to steal the blades tho

[King Gizzard]

I found this which gives a bit more detail to what they're on death row for, McManus shot his wife and 2 kids when he was given a divorce, no real previous examples of mental illness

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/rownew.htm

[Drew.]

some of them have been on death row for ages!! wow

[King Gizzard]

Don't know what they wait that long for really, I think they're allowed an appeal time of several years but they must make them serve time as punishment for ages

[Drew.]

im not an expert with all this but it says one of them was sentenced in 1983 so he's been on death row waiting for 30 years?

[joeysteele]

Many thanks to you Nathan, I watched this last week and had forgotten it was on this week again for the 2nd part.
I see it is on tonight so thank you for mentionng it as I would have missed it.
I found it really interesting last week.

[AnnieK]

According to what I have read the average stay on death row is 14years.

[Drew.]

just finished watching the second part.. left me speechless

[Jake.]

Gutted I missed this, will have to catch up with them sometime

[joeysteele]

It actually made me re-think my position as to capital punishment again. I thought Trevor McDonald asked some rather odd questions but I really rated the 2 programmes.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It actually made me re-think my position as to capital punishment again. I thought Trevor McDonald asked some rather odd questions but I really rated the 2 programmes.

I missed these,I like programs like this,wonder if I can catch up anywhere,how did it make you rethink Joey?

[InOne]

Trevor wasn't too great in this. He just seemed really awkward a lot of the time. The last bit where he went to the guys cell was apparently cut short. He was said to have gone into graphic details about the murders.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I missed these,I like programs like this,wonder if I can catch up anywhere,how did it make you rethink Joey?

Well I do go back and forth as to capital punishment, it is not something I am comfortable with but I did come round to the view that for some murders it was perhaps time to look at the subject again.

Not going into that obviously but after these programmes I found myself asking the question, could I myself really ever actually be the main overseer as to the execution of another human being.
My answer was in all probability no I couldn't. I am not someone who would ever ask or expect another to do something I couldn't or wouldn't so I am back to being deep in thought as to this issue.

Like Trevor Macdonald over these 2 programmes, I obviously had lno respect or understanding for those who had committed really horrendous murders yet still I feel nagged by the thoughts of any final execution being carried out.