[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Youtube video

Knew she'd said this and know a bit about Section 28 but didn't know there was a video of the speech. Vile. And people wonder why that song is being downloaded by some...

Apparantly,I am told she never relented from that speech either Jack.
30 years ago or not it was still vile.

[Kizzy]

I am so sick of hearing that same tired line, shes dead... yes she is so I say say what the hell you like!
Hurting families?... What tory has ever give a toss about that?
There is no such thing as society mags said, Well there must be a strange phenomenon occurring then as millions of individuals are experiencing the same thought... 'ding effing dong!'

[Jack_]

Just because she's dead it doesn't mean her legacy is over, in fact it's anything but and is growing year by year. She might be dead but her ideology lives on, and as she is to blame for instigating it, who else are we supposed to discuss and direct the hatred towards? Of course politicians and parties in existence now are part of the problem, but Thatcher started Thatcherism, no one else.

I'm not rejoicing at the fact she is dead, to me it doesn't change anything, but I can certainly understand why some who are worse off than me and lived through her time in office are celebrating. She wouldn't have cared anyway, she was hardly the most compassionate woman - someone raised a good point on Question Time last night, I think if she knew some people weren't protesting and celebrating her passing, and that she hadn't divided the nation once again, she'd be thoroughly disappointed. As for her family, they'll have had decades to prepare for this and I'm pretty sure they'll have heard pretty awful things about her in the past anyway, it comes with the territory. Right now I'm sure they are most concerned about the impending funeral and supporting one another, not internet campaigns and inevitable protests. We're talking about Margaret Thatcher, not Betty from number 2 down the road.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I am so sick of hearing that same tired line, shes dead... yes she is so I say say what the hell you like!
Hurting families?... What tory has ever give a toss about that?
There is no such thing as society mags said, Well there must be a strange phenomenon occurring then as millions of individuals are experiencing the same thought... 'ding effing dong!'

First off it's called Empathy, how would you feel about it if people were leading such a campaign against a recently deceased member of your family? Would you like it if someone was laughing at you because you lost someone you loved? You wouldn't like it at all, so why condone it?

Just because someone treats you badly it doesn't give you the right to treat their family horribly, doing that just makes you as bad as them, in fact it makes you worse.

It's just tacky and undignified. Like seriously, have some self respect, people who are acting with glee about it are just making themselves look like dicks.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

First off it's called Empathy, how would you feel about it if people were leading such a campaign against a recently deceased member of your family? Would you like it if someone was laughing at you because you lost someone you loved? You wouldn't like it at all, so why condone it?

Just because someone treats you badly it doesn't give you the right to treat their family horribly, doing that just makes you as bad as them, in fact it makes you worse.

It's just tacky and undignified. Like seriously, have some self respect people who are acting with glee about it are just making themselves look like dicks.

and that's all i've been saying the whole time. no matter the person she way, what people are doing about her death is worse.

[GypsyGoth]

I agree.

Filling yourself with pettiness and bitterness is only damaging yourself. Rejoicing in the death of another will have no effect on them since they're dead. If the rejoicing is a way to release some of the pent up bitterness, I think it only passes on ill feeling and continues cycles.

I think forgiving is much more beneficial. That way you can release the bad feelings you harbour for someone and you can move on.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

First off it's called Empathy, how would you feel about it if people were leading such a campaign against a recently deceased member of your family? Would you like it if someone was laughing at you because you lost someone you loved? You wouldn't like it at all, so why condone it?

Just because someone treats you badly it doesn't give you the right to treat their family horribly, doing that just makes you as bad as them, in fact it makes you worse.

It's just tacky and undignified. Like seriously, have some self respect, people who are acting with glee about it are just making themselves look like dicks.

I didn't see you giving this sort of passionate sympathy for Jimmy Savile's family.

[Ninastar]

these comparisons are laughable

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

First off it's called Empathy, how would you feel about it if people were leading such a campaign against a recently deceased member of your family? Would you like it if someone was laughing at you because you lost someone you loved? You wouldn't like it at all, so why condone it?

Just because someone treats you badly it doesn't give you the right to treat their family horribly, doing that just makes you as bad as them, in fact it makes you worse.

It's just tacky and undignified. Like seriously, have some self respect people who are acting with glee about it are just making themselves look like dicks.

First off it has been accepted by the metropolitan police that there is a democratic right to protest.
Quite frankly I feel the rest of your post is laughable, seriously if after all the testimony, facts and opinion across these threads I find it hard to believe why anyone who has a view would be called a 'dick'?
We all have a perspective, I appreciate you don't see why some feel passionately enough to take to the streets.
However, those who do choose to demonstrate have the right to be heard, using the funeral of the person that you feel is the the root cause of the problems we currently face may seem extreme... it is though representative of feeling across the UK.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by wannashag

I didn't see you giving this sort of passionate sympathy for Jimmy Savile's family.

Originally Posted by Ninastar

these comparisons are laughable

Not really. What did Savile's family do after all?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Not really. What did Savile's family do after all?

sorry, i didn't realise that music was bought in jest of his death

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by wannashag

I didn't see you giving this sort of passionate sympathy for Jimmy Savile's family.

I think you are confusing me with someone else, I don't think I've ever said anything about Jimmy Saville except that I wouldn't judge him without knowing all the details before everything came to light. I don't think I've mentioned him since?

My views seem to cause such a volatile reaction in you that you are forgetting who said what.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

First off it has been accepted by the metropolitan police that there is a democratic right to protest.
Quite frankly I feel the rest of your post is laughable, seriously if after all the testimony, facts and opinion across these threads I find it hard to believe why anyone who has a view would be called a 'dick'?
We all have a perspective, I appreciate you don't see why some feel passionately enough to take to the streets.
However, those who do choose to demonstrate have the right to be heard, using the funeral of the person that you feel is the the root cause of the problems we currently face may seem extreme... it is though representative of feeling across the UK.

What's there to protest? She's dead, she can't change anything now.

People are not protesting, they are rejoicing over someone dying and nothing can change that fact. You can keep dressing it up as something noble but in the end you're laughing at a dead old woman who is beyond caring now. The only people getting hurt are her family.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

sorry, i didn't realise that music was bought in jest of his death

Doesn't matter. He was still made a joke of and hated on when dead while his family would of had to put up with it.

[Locke.]

Youtube video

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Doesn't matter. He was still made a joke of and hated on when dead while his family would of had to put up with it.

he was a pedophile... are you saying that margaret was just as bad and deserves the hate?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Omah

"Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead"

Originally Posted by arista

Typical

Originally Posted by Omah

"Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch! Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead."

I don't usually buy music (my collection is already large enough to a lifetime) but, for 69p, I've just made an exception .....

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Youtube video

. Studio version should of been made and put on iTunes if they were going to have go through the trouble of a campaign tbh.

Imagine the BBC then

[Locke.]

Great work Omah

[MTVN]

Good old Maggie

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

he was a pedophile... are you saying that margaret was just as bad and deserves the hate?

She wasn't as bad no. An absolutely terrible person who deserves all of this though. His family were completely innocent though so by this logic, no hate should of been shown towards Savile for his family..right?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think you are confusing me with someone else, I don't think I've ever said anything about Jimmy Saville except that I wouldn't judge him without knowing all the details before everything came to light. I don't think I've mentioned him since?

My views seem to cause such a volatile reaction in you that you are forgetting who said what.

Where have i been volatile? i'm not the one lecturing people and calling them dicks because they want to rejoice that she's dead.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What's there to protest? She's dead, she can't change anything now.

People are not protesting, they are rejoicing over someone dying and nothing can change that fact. You can keep dressing it up as something noble but in the end you're laughing at a dead old woman who is beyond caring now. The only people getting hurt are her family.

Better expressed than I've been able to say so far.

[Marsh.]

"When Margaret Thatcher dies"?

Did the scousers not get the memo? She is dead.

[Josy]

The protest tomorrow/today was arranged 20+ years ago wasnt it?

The feelings of resentment these people have about her and her policies are so strong that they wont disappear immediately just because she's died and I'm pretty sure all the praise she's been receiving in the media these past few days will be making it even worse, so they are no doubt using these protests as a means of releasing it all.