[Jamie.]

As we all know, a few weeks ago saw the disgusting execution of Drummer Lee Rigby, a British soldier who was murdered in broad daylight in front of many people. The man who did it recently was charged with murder...

But here is my point of view.

The many who killed him (Michael Abadawale) should have been charged with treason, many people have said it, it should have been treason. For about a week, our money was used to treat a terrorist in the London hospital, and now the Government are going to pay to keep him in prison on a murder charge.

From what I understand, a man and his family (a hate preacher) was taken into hiding a few days ago after threats by group 'Britain First', apparently they said they would "take him out".

They should be deported, not taken into hiding. The children are going to be clueless as to why they are out of school, and their mum will have to explain to them that their father is a racist hate preacher.

It is disgusting knowing our Government are sitting on their arses while Britain have to defend ourselves. I say get this Government out and get UKiP in.

I am sorry if this comes across as racist to anyone, it's not intentional.

Thank you.

[Nedusa]

Treason in this Country still carries the Death penalty...!!!

[arista]

Why Another Thread
we have a Good Thread on this?

[Apple202]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Treason in this Country still carries the Death penalty...!!!

Really?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Apple202

Really?

Yeah and up till 1998, killing a swan was classed as treason so you could be hanged for killing a swan but not a child (obviously would never have happened but it Could have done)

[Apple202]

I thought all capital punishment was abolished in 1998 here tho

[AnnieK]

You're right Apple, I thought it was still in effect for High Treason but it's not. Thank you...you learn something new everyday.

[joeysteele]

No there is no death penalty as others have said for anything now in the UK.

I still am rather angry at this horrific murder which has been strongly debated on the other thread.
I guess to a good number of people,many I have talked to too, the cost of a trial for these individuals seems a waste of money since so much was caught on phone film footage.

I know of course the law has to take its slow course but at the end of it, I expect to see and hope so too that these 2 murderers/terrorists are put away for the rest of their lives.
Full life imprisonment however does seem too easy for these 2 men in my view.

[Nedusa]

But bringing back the death penalty in the UK would not take long as it is still on the statute books and was never properly abolished. One vote in the HOC and HOL and it would be back....!!!!

Very unlikely though....!!!!

[Nedusa]

Only if we left the Council of Europe could the UK vote to bring back the Death penalty so
it is truly abolished now at this time....!!!!

[Z]

You have to understand that the men who murdered Lee Rigby did so because of their strong beliefs. Britain has meddled in many different countries, the military being the primary source for Britain to get involved in other countries' affairs. As British people, it's very easy to forget that there are troops fighting wars and keeping peace in other countries because we do not feel the threat of war. When we experience isolated incidents like this, we're all outraged, but imagine what that must feel like if you live in a country where things like this happen every day; it must be very easy to believe that it is the fault of the British, the Americans, the West, whether rightly or wrongly, and so I don't think it's surprising that there are reprisals such as this one in this country. What they did to Lee Rigby was barbaric and wrong, but to their minds, what British troops are doing is barbaric and wrong. People have very reactionary responses to things like this and people become blind to the reasons behind why their 'enemy' did certain things...

[Shaun]

Treason is a ridiculous concept and I refuse to find anyone guilty of it. I think the royal family is a waste of space. There, treason. Kill me.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Treason is a ridiculous concept and I refuse to find anyone guilty of it. I think the royal family is a waste of space. There, treason. Kill me.

Well Shaun, I would call myself a Royalist but if I see and hear much more of this diamond jubilee for this Queen's reign,when there are so many awful things happening to her subjects at the hands of Govt and then from others in the UK like what happened to Lee Rigby,I think I will start swearing at the TV and radio.
It is time we heard far more from her as to to the suffering of her subjects rather than endlessly attending Cathedrals and functions and sitting there soaking up all this personal glorification of herself.

A few hundred years ago,I would likely have been executed for saying that I guess.

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Zee

You have to understand that the men who murdered Lee Rigby did so because of their strong beliefs. Britain has meddled in many different countries, the military being the primary source for Britain to get involved in other countries' affairs. As British people, it's very easy to forget that there are troops fighting wars and keeping peace in other countries because we do not feel the threat of war. When we experience isolated incidents like this, we're all outraged, but imagine what that must feel like if you live in a country where things like this happen every day; it must be very easy to believe that it is the fault of the British, the Americans, the West, whether rightly or wrongly, and so I don't think it's surprising that there are reprisals such as this one in this country. What they did to Lee Rigby was barbaric and wrong, but to their minds, what British troops are doing is barbaric and wrong. People have very reactionary responses to things like this and people become blind to the reasons behind why their 'enemy' did certain things...

it doesn't matter what reasons they had. for a crime like they committed it should carry the death penalty. the fact they used beliefs as a excuse just makes it worst.
they dont live in a country where it happens every day cause they live here.

[Bluerang1]

Will they even have defendants in court?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

You have to understand that the men who murdered Lee Rigby did so because of their strong beliefs. Britain has meddled in many different countries, the military being the primary source for Britain to get involved in other countries' affairs. As British people, it's very easy to forget that there are troops fighting wars and keeping peace in other countries because we do not feel the threat of war. When we experience isolated incidents like this, we're all outraged, but imagine what that must feel like if you live in a country where things like this happen every day; it must be very easy to believe that it is the fault of the British, the Americans, the West, whether rightly or wrongly, and so I don't think it's surprising that there are reprisals such as this one in this country. What they did to Lee Rigby was barbaric and wrong, but to their minds, what British troops are doing is barbaric and wrong. People have very reactionary responses to things like this and people become blind to the reasons behind why their 'enemy' did certain things...

The lines become blurred though when the people committing these crimes are British...
The use of the hate cleric is to create an 'enemy within', I can see your point an agree with it though. I always think though that they target the wrong people why the public and the soldiers... why not the decision makers? (not saying anyone should of course)
Everyone else is just swept along with the tide of what the people in positions of power dictate, in the grand scheme of things our lives and our deaths count for nothing to them.. Sad but true.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Treason is a ridiculous concept and I refuse to find anyone guilty of it. I think the royal family is a waste of space. There, treason. Kill me.

Bye

[Me. I Am Salman]

You only want him deported because he's a hate preacher and non white. Let's not forget Islam isn't a race it's a religion, people like you seem to only use this argument when it suits them He's Britains responsibility like all criminals in this country, whatever the extent of the crime. The EDL are hate preachers too, and I'm pretty sure white British people who have a hatred for this country exist as well.

The government are doing the best they could, they couldn't just leave him to die. And I don't think the government are allowed to have anything to do with the charge.

Anyway you're like 9

[arista]

Originally Posted by Salman!

You only want him deported because he's a hate preacher and non white. Let's not forget Islam isn't a race it's a religion, people like you seem to only use this argument when it suits them He's Britains responsibility like all criminals in this country, whatever the extent of the crime. The EDL are hate preachers too, and I'm pretty sure white British people who have a hatred for this country exist as well.

The government are doing the best they could, they couldn't just leave him to die. And I don't think the government are allowed to have anything to do with the charge.

Anyway you're like 9

You are just off a Ban
did not take you long to attack someone



Sign Of The Times

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zee

You have to understand that the men who murdered Lee Rigby did so because of their strong beliefs. Britain has meddled in many different countries, the military being the primary source for Britain to get involved in other countries' affairs. As British people, it's very easy to forget that there are troops fighting wars and keeping peace in other countries because we do not feel the threat of war. When we experience isolated incidents like this, we're all outraged, but imagine what that must feel like if you live in a country where things like this happen every day; it must be very easy to believe that it is the fault of the British, the Americans, the West, whether rightly or wrongly, and so I don't think it's surprising that there are reprisals such as this one in this country. What they did to Lee Rigby was barbaric and wrong, but to their minds, what British troops are doing is barbaric and wrong. People have very reactionary responses to things like this and people become blind to the reasons behind why their 'enemy' did certain things...

All of those reasons you are citing could also be applicable to the EDL. If it's understandable for a muslim to blame the west for all of the problems in their countries, then it's just as understandable for the EDL to blame muslims for all of the problems they have caused historically to westerners/christians/jews/homosexuals/women.

The difference is the EDL isn't cutting people's heads off, or setting bombs off in marketplaces or at marathons.

[Nedusa]

Are these guys actually going to plead not Guilty to a crime that was recorded on several CCTV cameras plus witnessed and recorded by many passers by and their phone cameras ??

It would be the shortest trial in history if that's the case.

I think they will probably refuse to plead on political grounds...!!!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Treason is a ridiculous concept and I refuse to find anyone guilty of it. I think the royal family is a waste of space. There, treason. Kill me.

Agree with this, it's a vague enough charge that it could just be arbitrarily applied against anyone for anything if it was convenient

[lostalex]

What if it was a soldier at a military base who was smuggling weapons off the base and giving them to the enemy and then the enemy was using those weapons to attack that same base. I would call that treason.

[Nedusa]

Yes its treason but regardless of Political persuasion its also theft of weapons and Conspiracy to supply weapons with the intent to commit acts of murder, so regardless of the Treason angle you are still guilty of supply with intent to cause murder/acts of terrorism.

Saying you hate the Queen is not quite the same thing.......!!!!

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

All of those reasons you are citing could also be applicable to the EDL. If it's understandable for a muslim to blame the west for all of the problems in their countries, then it's just as understandable for the EDL to blame muslims for all of the problems they have caused historically to westerners/christians/jews/homosexuals/women.

The difference is the EDL isn't cutting people's heads off, or setting bombs off in marketplaces or at marathons.

I'm talking about recent history. Britain's waded into several conflicts unnecessarily; it's natural for there to be repercussions. I'm absolutely not condoning what they did, I just think the OP in this thread doesn't really take their views into account. The EDL are a racist and volatile, reactionary group who are worsening the situation. The actions of a very small minority do not represent the majority; it'd be like saying the EDL represents all white British people. They don't. The EDL and these men, and those like them, are as bad as each other. Intolerant people with crazy ideas.