[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marc

Charlie shouldn't have brought up Daley, because by doing so she sort of let on to the fact that she had (if only slightly) found Hazel responsible for his ejection. Which has probably gone through Hazel's head ever since the situation and if somebody so close to her in the house also thinks it, that must be tough and a bit of a slap in the face.

No she shouldn't have .... but dont forget the other housemates do not know the details of what happened and because Hazel only confided in Dan...the rest of them could only speculate the intensity of it.... Charlie possibly thinks that in their drink infested night in the Safe house something as innocent had occured and been magnified to the point that Hazel had misconstrued something 'accidental' as the cucumber as something aggressively deliberate thus resulting in Daleys dismissal.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

She did accept it as frolics?... and by saying she gets aggressive when drunk meant over boisterous.. Which when you're drunk is fine but if sober is soooooo annoying.
Charlie has no filter, at 27 she really needs to stop shooting her mouth off and then bleating when others wont make allowances for her indiscreet, insulting or upsetting faux pas.
Why on earth would someone think it's ok to say whatever, whenever to whoever and yet challenge others as to their choice of words or intention?.....She is crazy.

[Calderyon]

Both were in the wrong, Hazel should not have said "a bit aggressive" thing and Charlie should not have said they "Now i know how Daley feels"/"It´s a little bit like the Daley thing".

Charlie did make it worse though, with all the overreacting. Should have left it for next day, as it was clear that she ´wasn´t in her right mind in that moment.

So i am on Hazel´s side on this one.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She did accept it as frolics?... and by saying she gets aggressive when drunk meant over boisterous.. Which when you're drunk is fine but if sober is soooooo annoying.
Charlie has no filter, at 27 she really needs to stop shooting her mouth off and then bleating when others wont make allowances for her indiscreet, insulting or upsetting faux pas.
Why on earth would someone think it's ok to say whatever, whenever to whoever and yet challenge others as to their choice of words or intention?.....She is crazy.

Isnt that hypocritical?...its OK for Hazel to use the word 'aggressive' about her friend instead of 'boisterous' which is better terminology when talking of your 'friend' when a little drunk....unyet you say Charlie makes indiscreet, insulting and upsettin faux pas???
Charlie does speak before she thinks but none of its intentional.... Hazel is cold and calculating and knew exactly what she was doing. I would rather a friend like Charlie than someone like Hazel....she would stab you in the back at the first opportunity.

[RodHull]

What Charlie nearly said indicates she clearly feels Hazel in some way stitched Daley up and got him booted out on spurious claims. I think thats why she took offense.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Isnt that hypocritical?...its OK for Hazel to use the word 'aggressive' about her friend instead of 'boisterous' which is better terminology when talking of your 'friend' when a little drunk....unyet you say Charlie makes indiscreet, insulting and upsettin faux pas???
Charlie does speak before she thinks but none of its intentional.... Hazel is cold and calculating and knew exactly what she was doing. I would rather a friend like Charlie than someone like Hazel....she would stab you in the back at the first opportunity.

The usual excuse used by someone who was out scoring when everyone else was learning tact and diplomacy, Charlie knows she and hazel aren't friends... they are just two women on big brother.

[erinp5]

Daley Ojuederie BBUK ‏@IamDaleyStar 2h

Just came In and thought let me see what all the fuss is about. @bbuk Charlie having my back. wow that's all I have to say. #BOOM

[Indy]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Daley Ojuederie BBUK ‏@IamDaleyStar 2h

Just came In and thought let me see what all the fuss is about. @bbuk Charlie having my back. wow that's all I have to say. #BOOM

Jackie will have a hit out on him within the hour. No way she's going to let association with Daley tarnish her baby's career

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by erinp5

Daley Ojuederie BBUK ‏@IamDaleyStar 2h

Just came In and thought let me see what all the fuss is about. @bbuk Charlie having my back. wow that's all I have to say. #BOOM

It's not your back people are worried about is it meathead?....

[Tozzie]

good gawd, I'll say na mooor

[Johnnyuk123]

It will all be forgotton tomorrow. The cucumbers will be all wilted and limp, no morning sunrise from those things and the gurls will just laugh it all off under the duvet, hopefully bb will have a duvet cam so we can see them making up.

[Donovan.]

Originally Posted by kistar

Why do you need a condom on a cucumber? Especially a home grown one?

Just in case it's of the Monsanto mutant variety.

[the truth]

im on the cucombers side....those brutal ladies treated it with contempt forcing him into all sorts of orifices against its will,,,,,,,free all willy shaped fruits and vegetables

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She did accept it as frolics?... and by saying she gets aggressive when drunk meant over boisterous.. Which when you're drunk is fine but if sober is soooooo annoying.
Charlie has no filter, at 27 she really needs to stop shooting her mouth off and then bleating when others wont make allowances for her indiscreet, insulting or upsetting faux pas.
Why on earth would someone think it's ok to say whatever, whenever to whoever and yet challenge others as to their choice of words or intention?.....She is crazy.

why should she filter everything for the homewrecker....its been 7 weeks or whatever spit it out mun

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Charlie, hazel for starters pulled the feel sorry for me card again, and was just bitchy about it to be honest

[Emmyasdfghjkl]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

I've got to say I agree with you here.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So Charlie was drunk....she did not deliberatly poke Hazel in the eye with the cucumber...it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
Hazel made a big deal out of it after her call to the diary room saying to BB 'I dont THINK she meant it'.... Why should Charlie have meant it??? She isnt aggressive...but sometimes you just get CLUMSEY when you have had a drink.
Hazel denied saying she had used the word aggressive and only admitted it when Callum stated she did.... Callum pathetically denied to Charlie that he agreed with Hazel when she descibed Charlie as being aggressive....when he DID.
Charlie may have harped on about it but out of frustration that the two of them initially denied what she CORRECTLY overheard.
Charlie shouldnt have mentioned the Daley thing...but she said what came into her head and that was that Daley had (rightly by the way) been called in because his behaviour was unacceptable and Charlie felt that behaviour had been concieved in the same way. Remember none of the other HM's know the details of what went on with Daley apart from Dan.

I'm with Charlie on this one.... Hazel as her supposed friend should have simply accepted it as drunken frolics and that it was accidental... but she seemed to want to insinuate that Charlie was unnecessarily aggressive in a deliberate way.

..she did accept it as frolics though and didn't think it was intentional in any way, it was what Charlie said afterwards that caused the problems and she had no right to bring Daley into it..even if she did regret saying that, once something is said and out there, you can't take it back and she has to start taking responsibility for what she says because this isn't the first time she's offended a housemate, whether drunk or sober...

...and yeah, I do think that when you're involved in something yourself, you don't necessarily see it as others on the outside do because you're too emotional at the time obviously but with both the Daley incident and this, BB intervening will have made Hazel think whether it looked totally different from the outside and question whether it was actually aggressive..I think that's very normal too..you can think you're really sure of something but then someone else will say they saw something different and you'll think wow, did it really look like that, maybe I got it wrong..

EDIT:..I also think the 'friendship' thing works both ways..why would a so called friend bring Daley into it in the first place..let's be objective...

[Daffodil]

Hazel started the cucumber fight by persistently shoving it in Charlie's mouth. The fact that Charlie was drunk meant she reacted honestly by trying to get her own back. Hazel did not like this. Hazel is a nasty piece of work.

[Niamh.]

The argument itself was pretty stupid but Charlie (once again) put that giant foot in her mouth

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by the truth

im on the cucombers side....those brutal ladies treated it with contempt forcing him into all sorts of orifices against its will,,,,,,,free all willy shaped fruits and vegetables

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Fosse

I had to laugh at Charlie bringing up the spectre of Daley out of a seemingly silly cucumber incident.

Way to go to make Hazel feel even more insecure and upset.

Ten out of ten - top telly!

My thoughts exactly.Not on any side,Just laughed at Charlie putting her foot in it again.lol

[Seanbon]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..she did accept it as frolics though and didn't think it was intentional in any way, it was what Charlie said afterwards that caused the problems and she had no right to bring Daley into it..even if she did regret saying that, once something is said and out there, you can't take it back and she has to start taking responsibility for what she says because this isn't the first time she's offended a housemate, whether drunk or sober...

...and yeah, I do think that when you're involved in something yourself, you don't necessarily see it as others on the outside do because you're too emotional at the time obviously but with both the Daley incident and this, BB intervening will have made Hazel think whether it looked totally different from the outside and question whether it was actually aggressive..I think that's very normal too..you can think you're really sure of something but then someone else will say they saw something different and you'll think wow, did it really look like that, maybe I got it wrong..

EDIT:..I also think the 'friendship' thing works both ways..why would a so called friend bring Daley into it in the first place..let's be objective...

It's actually a sign of maturity to be able to look back on a situation and admit that you were wrong.ie.Hazel using the word aggressive.When she was told she was wrong she accepted it,and didn't argue on in a dogmatic way. Some people seem to think that this was because she was " caught out",but I think it was a case of mature reflection,and also a mix-up over when and where the word was used!?!
Unfortunately,there is very little mature reflection going on here among certain commentators! Preconceived opinions are leading to knee-jerk reactions,and as usual Hazel cops the flak!?!

[user104658]

I don't think it would be inaccurate to describe it as aggressive but that doeant have to mean anything awful. She was being really persistent and the actual eye hitting came AFTER hazel asked her to be careful. But, only aggressive in the sense of that "clumsy" way drunk people can get physically... Like when drunk old men pit their arm around your neck a little too tight, or slap you on the back a little too hard. But hazel knows that and was actually very careful NOT to make more of it with big brother, smiling and saying it was fine.

There was really no issue after that, Hazel did say "aggressive" to callum but he agreed that Charlie had been being a bit forceful with it... She was trying to "get her own back" in a slightly aggressive way. Due to being clearly very drunk. it was totally dropped until she said "i know how Daley feels" which was out of order - even Joe looked visibly shocked before Hazel registered what she had said. then she went on to deny it and claimed she had said that maybe it was "like the Daley thing because of alcohol but not even that"... when that's not what she was implying at all.

It can be explained by them not knowing the details of what happened with Daley I guess... but still not something you'd say to a supposed friend. She revealed her thoughts on it that she had obviously been keeping to herself.

[user104658]

On a lighter note : did anyone else smirk a little when they showed Dexter and Hazel innocently harvesting the cucumbers in the HL show? "We'll make cucumber salad!", they said. Little did they know what those cucumbers would lead to.

Also my partner, who doesnt watch the show, happened to look up from her laptop just as the voiceover said:

"its been 27 minutes since Charlie poked Hazel in the eye with a cucumber"

Her face said it all I think. Utter confusion. Hahaha.