[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

The Chinese comment was no doubt in bad taste but just to play devils advocate here I could use a little help on something.

I don't find Chinese women sexually attractive (in general). I also am not attracted to black females just mainly Caucasian females.

Does that make me a racist?

Don't see why it would.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

The Chinese comment was no doubt in bad taste but just to play devils advocate here I could use a little help on something.

I don't find Chinese women sexually attractive (in general). I also am not attracted to black females just mainly Caucasian females.

Does that make me a racist?

No,not at all in my opinion.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

The Chinese comment was no doubt in bad taste but just to play devils advocate here I could use a little help on something.

I don't find Chinese women sexually attractive (in general). I also am not attracted to black females just mainly Caucasian females.

Does that make me a racist?

Do you go around telling black and oriental women you don't find them attractive, because of their race?

[DanaC]

More to the point, do you go around telling people that you find all Chinese women ugly. Or that they are the ugliest women in the world?


Or do you just...like...not fancy them.

There's a big difference.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Do you go around telling black and oriental women you don't find them attractive, because of their race?

No, why would I be senseless enough to do that?

I was just Thinking whether because of my attraction to mainly Caucasians then is whatever controls how you find someone attractive a little racist in itself.

I wasn't trying to be clever or anything it was a genuine thing I was thinking about what someone said about deep down we are all a little inherently racist. Not outright get away from me you black so and so but more like how I just said.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

More to the point, do you go around telling people that you find all Chinese women ugly. Or that they are the ugliest women in the world?


Or do you just...like...not fancy them.

There's a big difference.

Again no I have no intention of telling people I don't fancy them, not that they would care anyway.

I was just asking is it still racism? Something inside me is obviously making me selective in who I find attractive and I'm honest enough to admit there does seem to be a racial correlation in it.

[DanaC]

*smiles*

Well, I don't think that's racism. Desire is desire. You are attracted to what you are attracted to. Some people just aren't attracted to darker skin tones and almond eyes. Some aren't attracted to red hair and freckles. Some men really don't find tall women a turn on, and some women aren't attracted to bald men. C'est la vie. It's all good.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by DanaC

*smiles*

Well, I don't think that's racism. Desire is desire. You are attracted to what you are attracted to. Some people just aren't attracted to darker skin tones and almond eyes. Some aren't attracted to red hair and freckles. Some men really don't find tall women a turn on, and some women aren't attracted to bald men. C'est la vie. It's all good.

..no, everyone loves Marc, Dana, regardless of their attraction preference, some things are just too strong to be denied.....

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

*smiles*

Well, I don't think that's racism. Desire is desire. You are attracted to what you are attracted to. Some people just aren't attracted to darker skin tones and almond eyes. Some aren't attracted to red hair and freckles. Some men really don't find tall women a turn on, and some women aren't attracted to bald men. C'est la vie. It's all good.

Yes actually that makes sense. When you split it Down again I suppose you can be attracted to certain features and attributes within the Caucasian spectrum. Like you said some people don't like red hair and freckles whereas I think women with red hair and freckles and pale skin are gorgeous. I also like the dark skin, dark hair Roman/Italian look too.

I guess that makes us great in that there really is someone out there for everybody.

[Kizzy]

Once you vocalise that you find a whole countries women ugly I can see why it would be seen as racist at worst and at best hugely rude and offensive.

[DanaC]

She is drop dead gorgeous.

Aye - not bad for a chink.





































What?

[DanaC]

Hahahahaha.

[DanaC]

Y'know, when my Dad and his family arrived here from India, when he was around 11 years old, he had a slightly Indian look about him, and spoke with an Anglo-Indian accent. For a couple of years he used to get chased round the playground, called pa*i and told he stank like a curry house. Got into a lot of fights over that sort of crap.

He survived. He grew a thick skin. But he also remembered.

Whatever his views on certain races (he was no anti-racist paragon I'm afraid) he never would let me or my brother tell racist jokes (before we'd learned why they were harmful). Someone might not be that bothered. Someone else might be. Both reactions are equally valid. Words can hurt. Why would you want to hurt just for a cheap laugh?

[Daffodil]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

That girl has coloured contacts in.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Well, I don't think that's racism. Desire is desire. You are attracted to what you are attracted to. Some people just aren't attracted to darker skin tones and almond eyes. Some aren't attracted to red hair and freckles. Some men really don't find tall women a turn on, and some women aren't attracted to bald men. C'est la vie. It's all good.

I agree with this, but also want to add that just like not being attracted to someone of a certain race doesn't automatically make one racist, the opposite is also true; just because a person isattracted to someone belonging to another race, doesn't mean they're automatically not racist.

[DanaC]

True dat.

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

I agree with this, but also want to add that just like not being attracted to someone of a certain race doesn't automatically make one racist, the opposite is also true; just because a person isattracted to someone belonging to another race, doesn't mean they're automatically not racist.

That's why I like to keep a back up friend of each race in reserve.

[DanaC]

Thinking about it, there could be a 'racist' element to how we form desire. Inasmuch as, if we are presented with primarily negative stereotypes, or images of otherness of one ethnicity, whilst our growing up primarily consists of exposure o our own ethnicity, those positive and negative associations will naturally affect desire.

But ... you really can go too deep on this stuff. It's interesting at an academic level, but you have to step outside your own experience of life and your own culture to properly examine it, and that's just not how we live and experience life day to day. We are products of our culture and society. And that culture and society are threaded through with racism, sexism and homophobia, sometimes in ways that only become apparent if you step out of your own world and look back into it.

We're also human...with a natural inclination to categorise and a tendency towards reading the world visually.

My desire is formed a lot more basely that that.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Aye - not bad for a chink.





























What?

just imagine the meltdown on here if Big Ron said that?lol

[Jimrod]

The problem with all PC behaviour is that it ends up going to far so people get fed up with it and you run the risk of a backlash. Lately there's lots of controversy over stop-and-search targeting certain racial demographics - well if those demographics are statistically more likely to commit crime then that's completely correct sadly.

I had one of these uncomfortable debates the other night after lots of travelling and waiting in security queues - basically ending up with me saying "when was the last time a grey-haired old lady bombed something? Looking back at every Western, post Northern Ireland terrorist attack (or attempted one) the vast vast majority are commuted by brown people with beards called some variation of Mohammad/Ali/Abdul etc". I am not being racist even though this will probably get me a ban and would certainly get me a warning in BB - I was stating FACT. For some reason PC behaviour ignores facts.

That said - Ron did say something that would have been acceptable in the 70's/80's on TV but not now outside of risqué comedy shows. He must know he wouldn't get away with it and he probably regrets it but he was just talking freely and said something not uncommon from people of his generation or indeed many others in the safety of their own homes would say "as a joke".

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by Jimrod

The problem with all PC behaviour is that it ends up going to far so people get fed up with it and you run the risk of a backlash.

I disagree. From my experience it's much more common people simply use this as an excuse. What I do get fed up with however, is the underlying problem causing us to constantly having to discuss it.

[Jimrod]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

I disagree. From my experience it's much more common people simply use this as an excuse. What I do get fed up with however, is the underlying problem causing us to constantly having to discuss it.

Look at UKIP's increased popularity in recent years, is it because people are genuinely getting more xenophobic or more likely because we are constantly being told we can't say this and that, everything is a race issue yet when the roles are reversed (ie Abu Hamza situation) our government goes soft. If you tell people constantly that they can't say or do something yet allow others to do it then you get resentment and inevitably cause the very behaviour shift you're trying to prevent.

(I vote Conservative btw )