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SoBig · 05-09-2013, 07:05 AM

Russell was amazing in Samoa. He went into the Merge down 4-8 and still made it to the final 3 and should have won.

In HvV he was great during the first half, then he fell off towards the end. What was the point of making final 3 deals with nearly everyone when you had the numbers already? Then he got into too many unnecessary arguments. It was messy.

Dan played two flawless games. They don't even compare as players.

SoBig · 05-09-2013, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45

Russell was a terrible, terrible player!

You've gotta' be good at all aspects of a game to be a great (never mind 'the best'!!!)player in Survivor and Russel clearly wasn't. He had a horrendous social game and his overall tactics were lacking too and that's why he never did and never could win Survivor!

I don't agree.

Cirie is an amazing player and she isn't a good competitor. She is decent at the strength stuff, but that's it. Todd is another example.

Ozzy is the GOAT challenge player and he sucks at the social and strategic aspects, but I would still say he is a great player.

Macie Lightfoot · 05-09-2013, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SoBig

Russell was amazing in Samoa. He went into the Merge down 4-8 and still made it to the final 3 and should have won.

In HvV he was great during the first half, then he fell off towards the end. What was the point of making final 3 deals with nearly everyone when you had the numbers already? Then he got into too many unnecessary arguments. It was messy.

Dan played two flawless games. They don't even compare as players.

Russell was horrendous in Samoa. He said it himself that he targeted Liz instead of Natalie because "Natalie's good at getting in with people" and all that led to was Natalie getting in his good graces while simultaneously building relationships (just like he acknowledged) and destroying him in a jury vote, it was a cakewalk for her. And then it was the same thing in HvV but even worse, all Russell is good at is pissing people off and losing jury votes.

And i t's hysterical how a nearly unanimous LOSS is considered flawless, and you try to tell me that I'm the biased one.

SoBig · 05-09-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Russell was horrendous in Samoa. He said it himself that he targeted Liz instead of Natalie because "Natalie's good at getting in with people" and all that led to was Natalie getting in his good graces while simultaneously building relationships (just like he acknowledged) and destroying him in a jury vote, it was a cakewalk for her. And then it was the same thing in HvV but even worse, all Russell is good at is pissing people off and losing jury votes.

And i t's hysterical how a nearly unanimous LOSS is considered flawless, and you try to tell me that I'm the biased one.

Russell is also great at making it to the end. You can't deny that.

You hate Dan. You've made it known numerous times. Dan had a lot of things going against him in BB14. He had a massive target on his back from the start, because of his reputation of being second only to Will. Had Frank targeting him for no reason at all and falsely blaming him for everything that Ian and Britney was doing. All the odds were stacked against him making it to the end, but he still did it. Those players were never going to vote for coach over a newbie. Especially one that had already won. He also had a lot of bad luck. Shane, Frank and Ian kept winning when he wanted to take them out. Boogie not wanting to work with Janelle. Its a miracle that he made it as far as he did.

Dan was a huge target the whole game yet there weren't one vote cast against him. How isn't that impressive? The funeral is the greatest comeback in reality tv history. I mean come on dude. Give credit where its due.

I watched a show that Ashley hosted last week and she said she had no idea Dan was playing that awesome of a game. Joe even said he would've voted for Dan if knew what he knows now.

Braden · 05-09-2013, 05:02 PM

Andy needs to go. I can't stomach watching him anymore.

And as much as I despise Amanda I actually wanted her to win the veto over McCrae. McCrae is such a non-entity so hopefully if Amanda goes he will come out of his shell a bit more. Although a part of me thinks it's a bit too late for that now.

BBfanUSA · 05-09-2013, 10:21 PM

Tonight is the 500th episode. And They'll be celebrating it with a double WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Macie Lightfoot · 05-09-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBig

Russell is also great at making it to the end. You can't deny that.

You hate Dan. You've made it known numerous times. Dan had a lot of things going against him in BB14. He had a massive target on his back from the start, because of his reputation of being second only to Will. Had Frank targeting him for no reason at all and falsely blaming him for everything that Ian and Britney was doing. All the odds were stacked against him making it to the end, but he still did it. Those players were never going to vote for coach over a newbie. Especially one that had already won. He also had a lot of bad luck. Shane, Frank and Ian kept winning when he wanted to take them out. Boogie not wanting to work with Janelle. Its a miracle that he made it as far as he did.

Dan was a huge target the whole game yet there weren't one vote cast against him. How isn't that impressive? The funeral is the greatest comeback in reality tv history. I mean come on dude. Give credit where its due.

I watched a show that Ashley hosted last week and she said she had no idea Dan was playing that awesome of a game. Joe even said he would've voted for Dan if knew what he knows now.

Russell makes it to the end because he's so easy to beat. Anyone with some sense of the game sees this. Getting to the end is only half of it anyway, like I said he could never, ever win a jury vote so he can't be that great of a player at all when that's how you win.

So? You love Dan and you made it known numerous times. I didn't even hate him until BB14 where he was awful. What Ashley said and what Joe said after the show is irrelevant because it was after they were out of sequester and got to watch the episodes and stuff. Especially because I know you use the same argument against Danielle's loss.

SoBig · 05-09-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Russell makes it to the end because he's so easy to beat. Anyone with some sense of the game sees this. Getting to the end is only half of it anyway, like I said he could never, ever win a jury vote so he can't be that great of a player at all when that's how you win.

So? You love Dan and you made it known numerous times. I didn't even hate him until BB14 where he was awful. What Ashley said and what Joe said after the show is irrelevant because it was after they were out of sequester and got to watch the episodes and stuff. Especially because I know you use the same argument against Danielle's loss.

The juries don't always get these things right.

Emmett would have lost to Tala (sp?) or Gary in BB Canada if he had made it to the finals with either of those 2. That's such a freaking joke. Alec and Peter were so bitter they were willing to vote for Tala over Emmett for the lolz.... Let that sink in.

Macie Lightfoot · 06-09-2013, 12:29 AM

Juries are only reactionary. They didn't exist, they were created because of things that were done to them and things that happened. It's actually impossible for a jury to be unfair or get it wrong.

MeMyselfAndI · 06-09-2013, 12:30 AM

I'm very nervous for Elissa, she needs to win HOH ah. I wish andy would flip and save Amanda

Donovan. · 06-09-2013, 12:35 AM

Come on Elissa win a comp. ANY COMP.... or McCrae if he puts up two of the exterminators.

reece(: · 06-09-2013, 12:44 AM

Good thing if Elissa goes - I can stop watching this godawful programme.
Good thing if Elissa stays - I can keep cheering her on for the win.

MeMyselfAndI · 06-09-2013, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by reece(:

Good thing if Elissa goes - I can stop watching this godawful programme.
Good thing if Elissa stays - I can keep cheering her on for the win.

I'll stop watching too

Just like I did in BB14 when Janelle left

SoBig · 06-09-2013, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Juries are only reactionary. They didn't exist, they were created because of things that were done to them and things that happened. It's actually impossible for a jury to be unfair or get it wrong.

Like Topaz voting for Jillian by mistake?

reece(: · 06-09-2013, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

I'll stop watching too

Just like I did in BB14 when Janelle left

It died for me when Britney went.

MeMyselfAndI · 06-09-2013, 12:48 AM

Jillian deserved to win over Gary, anyone deserves to win over a returnee, even Talla, although Emmet played the best game and was robbed, looking objectively. Jillian also played a very different game, but still a good game, making it practically impossible for her to be evicted for the duration.

(This is from a Gary fan

)

Firewire · 06-09-2013, 12:51 AM

does anyone have a link for tonight's show? preferably one that doesn't buffer to much

MeMyselfAndI · 06-09-2013, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Firewire

does anyone have a link for tonight's show? preferably one that doesn't buffer to much

http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/cbs-live-stream

There are 7 different steams usually, so If one is not good change to another.

Firewire · 06-09-2013, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

http://www.stream2watch.me/live-tv/cbs-live-stream

There are 7 different steams usually, so If one is not good change to another.

thank you!

SoBig · 06-09-2013, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

Jillian deserved to win over Gary, anyone deserves to win over a returnee, even Talla, although Emmet played the best game and was robbed, looking objectively. Jillian also played a very different game, but still a good game, making it practically impossible for her to be evicted for the duration.

(This is from a Gary fan

)

I would have voted for Jillian too, but Topaz clearly meant to vote for Gary. He said it's impossible for juries to make mistakes, but that was clearly one.