[MTVN]

They said there had been a couple of recent burglaries at the resort hadn't they, seems possible to me that this was another one and maybe they were disturbed by Madeleine, panicked and in trying to shut her up accidentally killed her and their first thought was to get rid of the body

Agree with Jesus btw, maybe I'm naive or too trusting or whatever but I really don't think they are the sort of people who'd have had anything to do with it and then meticulously cover it up like this, and most of the 'evidence' for that seems to be mainly scraps of strange or unexplained instances that are loosely tied together into something that resembles a somewhat plausible story (like most conspiracy theories really)

[Jemal]

Thing is why im increasedly pissed off at those **** parents is that...
THE NIGHT BEFORE! They went out the same and left their three kids at the apartment. Ok..Madeline and the twins wake up and start crying while their parents are out.
The next morning Madeline says "where were you when we was crying?"
I MEAN SURELY IF YOUR DAUGHTER SAYS THAT YU WOULDNT EVEN THINK ABOUT GOING OUT FOR THE 6th DAY IN A ROW!?

tbh im still a young man, but no way would i even be SELFISH and go out FOR THE 6TH DAY IN A ROW!?
IF YOU WANT TAPAS FOOD? GET A TAKEAWAY AND EAT IT TOGETHER WHILE WATCHING A MOVIE?
AND THEN BLOODY DRINK THE TAKEAWAY WINE ASWELL AND THEN GOTO THE BEDROOM AND THE BOTH OF YOU CAN GET CRACKING AND PASS THE NIGHT AWAY...

But no.. They had to be selfish pricks, thats why I have no sympathy for them at all.

Ah rant over.

[Z]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They said there had been a couple of recent burglaries at the resort hadn't they, seems possible to me that this was another one and maybe they were disturbed by Madeleine, panicked and in trying to shut her up accidentally killed her and their first thought was to get rid of the body

Agree with Jesus btw, maybe I'm naive or too trusting or whatever but I really don't think they are the sort of people who'd have had anything to do with it and then meticulously cover it up like this, and most of the 'evidence' for that seems to be mainly scraps of strange or unexplained instances that are loosely tied together into something that resembles a somewhat plausible story (like most conspiracy theories really)

The bungled burglary is a possibility... couple of guys casing the joint, checking out the affluent families and figuring out who lives where, monitoring their routine and then they go to the McCann apartment, prise open the window after seeing the empty bed (the one next to the window; the twins and Madeleine were further away from the window and they'd only have had a limited view, if any, of the inside) - they force their way in, Madeleine wakes up, they accidentally kill her... OR they go in through the door, walk into the room, are disturbed by Madeleine who is nearest the door, accidentally kill her and go out through the window in a panic... They carry the body off down to the beach and get rid of it, and don't steal anything because they've just accidentally killed a little girl.

[Marsh.]

I'm rather bemused by Jemal's insistence on bringing sex into the discussion.

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'm rather bemused by Jemal's insistence on bringing sex into the discussion.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They said there had been a couple of recent burglaries at the resort hadn't they, seems possible to me that this was another one and maybe they were disturbed by Madeleine, panicked and in trying to shut her up accidentally killed her and their first thought was to get rid of the body

Agree with Jesus btw, maybe I'm naive or too trusting or whatever but I really don't think they are the sort of people who'd have had anything to do with it and then meticulously cover it up like this, and most of the 'evidence' for that seems to be mainly scraps of strange or unexplained instances that are loosely tied together into something that resembles a somewhat plausible story (like most conspiracy theories really)

No ... Surely if they had been breaking in and disturbed and killed the girl their first instinct would have been to run away as quickly as possible without leaving behind any evidence.

But to snatch the dead girl and carry her out in public would have been the last thing they would do... No I think we can discount this theory.

Also if they had killed her and run off then the parents would have found her and this whole story would have been about catching the intruders who murdered a young girl on holiday...!!!

No tbh we are no further forward....!!!!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zee

The bungled burglary is a possibility... couple of guys casing the joint, checking out the affluent families and figuring out who lives where, monitoring their routine and then they go to the McCann apartment, prise open the window after seeing the empty bed (the one next to the window; the twins and Madeleine were further away from the window and they'd only have had a limited view, if any, of the inside) - they force their way in, Madeleine wakes up, they accidentally kill her... OR they go in through the door, walk into the room, are disturbed by Madeleine who is nearest the door, accidentally kill her and go out through the window in a panic... They carry the body off down to the beach and get rid of it, and don't steal anything because they've just accidentally killed a little girl.

There'd be more evidence of a struggle/death surely?
I'm with whoever said why on earth if a burglar was caught by a small child would they take the child with them?

They'd surely think "****" and get the fook out of there as fast as possible.

[Kazanne]

Is it not possible that Madeline woke up and wandered out of the apartment looking for her parents? Could she have met with some accident maybe fell into a shaft or something similar,it's just a notion, and why would someone just take the one child and the older one at that, who would have woken up and caused a fuss at the hands of a stranger,

[Z]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

There'd be more evidence of a struggle/death surely?
I'm with whoever said why on earth if a burglar was caught by a small child would they take the child with them?

They'd surely think "****" and get the fook out of there as fast as possible.

They sneak in, go into the bedroom the kids are in, Madeleine wakes up, they cover her mouth with hands/a pillow to keep her quiet, she suffocates and dies without a struggle, they panic and take the body with them and don't steal anything because they've just killed a little girl - they maybe assumed that the parents were in the next room, who knows - obviously just conjecture but it's pretty feasible IMO. They take the body because they don't want their DNA left behind - maybe Madeleine got out of her bed so they didn't actually touch anything - again, if you're in shock, you're not acting rationally. They still think "****" and get out of there as fast as possible, but take the body with them, and as calmly as possible walk away with her so that they appear normal to passers by. She'd have been asphyxiated so she wouldn't have been covered in blood or anything.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is it not possible that Madeline woke up and wandered out of the apartment looking for her parents? Could she have met with some accident maybe fell into a shaft or something similar,it's just a notion, and why would someone just take the one child and the older one at that, who would have woken up and caused a fuss at the hands of a stranger,

Well, from a practical point of view (I feel horrible for wording it like that but bear with me) - if you're in the market to kidnap children for the sex trade or illegal adoption trade, it's much easier to take a toddler who is toilet trained and old enough to walk and eat food by herself than to take twin babies who would require far more care while in transit.

[Vicky.]

For anyone who is interested in the Smith sighting, more info on it here http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is it not possible that Madeline woke up and wandered out of the apartment looking for her parents? Could she have met with some accident maybe fell into a shaft or something similar,it's just a notion, and why would someone just take the one child and the older one at that, who would have woken up and caused a fuss at the hands of a stranger,

i dont think she woke up at all just from the fact she could hardly keep her eyes open before they put her to bed

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is it not possible that Madeline woke up and wandered out of the apartment looking for her parents? Could she have met with some accident maybe fell into a shaft or something similar,it's just a notion, and why would someone just take the one child and the older one at that, who would have woken up and caused a fuss at the hands of a stranger,

Nope my opinion is if she did walk out and look for her parents she would have taken her precious teddy, but that was left in the same position from when those parents left

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

There'd be more evidence of a struggle/death surely?
I'm with whoever said why on earth if a burglar was caught by a small child would they take the child with them?

They'd surely think "****" and get the fook out of there as fast as possible.

Yup.

Though there was kind of evidence of death. The cadaver dogs went mad in the apartment. The video is on youtube.

Thats not total evidence though, the death could have occurred at another time. I do wonder if there was ever an investigation into recent known deaths in apartment 5A though (E. seems there was and no known deaths)

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yup.

Though there was kind of evidence of death. The cadaver dogs went mad in the apartment. The video is on youtube.

Thats not total evidence though, the death could have occurred at another time. I do wonder if there was ever an investigation into recent known deaths in apartment 5A though

Yeah and those dogs are highly trained so I'd trust their instincts... as awful as it is, I hope she's dead and not living in eternal hell being used as a sex slave by twisted paedophiles, because that's the only life she has ever known if she is still alive... the poor thing

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Took them nearly an hour to contact police after discovering she was gone.

Their friend who checked on them didnt actually see the kids..just checked for noise (same as Kate was going to do before door slammed)

Sees twins in their cot but doesnt look at Madelines bed. According to police timeline.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

For anyone who is interested in the Smith sighting, more info on it here http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

thanks,that was very interesting reading.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yeah and those dogs are highly trained so I'd trust their instincts... as awful as it is, I hope she's dead and not living in eternal hell being used as a sex slave by twisted paedophiles, because that's the only life she has ever known if she is still alive... the poor thing

Yes this is my thinking too. However Gerry McCanns reaction was to try and discredit the dogs findings rather than accept that they are generally accurate (the dogs used had never been wrong in 200 uses previous)

One would think that he would have wanted their findings looked into MORE really..as it could have helped find out what happened.

Edit again. http://www.mccannfiles.com/id161.html Info on the dogs search..inc video

[Jemal]

I missed the reason why the door slammed shut. Was it because of the window being opened from the person escaping?

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes this is my thinking too. However Gerry McCanns reaction was to try and discredit the dogs findings rather than accept that they are generally accurate (the dogs used had never been wrong in 200 uses previous)

One would think that he would have wanted their findings looked into MORE really..as it could have helped find out what happened.

I guess they don't want to think that she's dead because the person responsible is still at large and coming to the conclusion that she died in the room without a culprit makes them look more guilty? I dunno, it is strange.

@Jemal - the window was wide open and it caused the door to slam shut due to the draught, but it could have been open for a while.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zee

They sneak in, go into the bedroom the kids are in, Madeleine wakes up, they cover her mouth with hands/a pillow to keep her quiet, she suffocates and dies without a struggle, they panic and take the body with them and don't steal anything because they've just killed a little girl - they maybe assumed that the parents were in the next room, who knows - obviously just conjecture but it's pretty feasible IMO. They take the body because they don't want their DNA left behind - maybe Madeleine got out of her bed so they didn't actually touch anything - again, if you're in shock, you're not acting rationally. They still think "****" and get out of there as fast as possible, but take the body with them, and as calmly as possible walk away with her so that they appear normal to passers by. She'd have been asphyxiated so she wouldn't have been covered in blood or anything.

But if they hadn't touched anything else, or had barely got into the apartment then the obvious thing to do would be to go, not to pressure the child into silence.

Especially when two babies are sleeping near her and could make a fuss at any time.

I just don't think your average chancing burglar would risk the bother. Just looting for any valuables they'd move onto somewhere else that may be empty.

Just a hard situation to find plausible.

[Jemal]

Im i the only who thinks the father has a little bit of a smirk on his face when talking about Madeline?

[Z]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

But if they hadn't touched anything else, or had barely got into the apartment then the obvious thing to do would be to go, not to pressure the child into silence.

Especially when two babies are sleeping near her and could make a fuss at any time.

I just don't think your average chancing burglar would risk the bother. Just looting for any valuables they'd move onto somewhere else that may be empty.

Just a hard situation to find plausible.

They possibly slipped in thinking it was empty, were disturbed by Madeleine and panicked, thinking the whole family was there and high tailed it out of there with her body in tow once they realised they'd just murdered her, their thinking wouldn't have been clear... if that's even what happened. I'd give it credibility because of the cadaver dogs detecting the scent of death in the room.

[Vicky.]

I'm having a hard time even beginning to think about the botched burglary, nothing taken. no disturbance, kill child accidentally, carry child round block theory tbh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zee

They possibly slipped in thinking it was empty, were disturbed by Madeleine and panicked, thinking the whole family was there and high tailed it out of there with her body in tow once they realised they'd just murdered her, their thinking wouldn't have been clear... if that's even what happened. I'd give it credibility because of the cadaver dogs detecting the scent of death in the room.

What I meant was they'd have high tailed it out of there once they realised it wasn't empty, before having a chance to kill her accidentally.

Crawling through the window, then bugger and make a run for it.

Unless they'd already gone through the rest of the apartment, knew it was empty and tried to keep the child quiet in that instance. But there's no evidence of anything being disturbed, messed up, moved or taken from anywhere else in the apartment.

It's just more trouble for an otherwise random robber looking for a laptop/phones/cameras.