[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How could anyone know that?

This answers the question....no one really knows what happened, everything is supposition.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by anniek76

This answers the question....no one really knows what happened, everything is supposition.

32 pages and you have summed it up in one sentence Annie.

[Kizzy]

Of course it's supposition, this is a discussion forum not a courtroom, although with the dogmatism you would think someone was on trial.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course it's supposition, this is a discussion forum not a courtroom, although with the dogmatism you would think someone was on trial.

Yeah.. The McCanns

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Yeah.. The McCanns

You beat me to it Lee.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course it's supposition, this is a discussion forum not a courtroom, although with the dogmatism you would think someone was on trial.

Who is it that you think is being dogmatic here?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Yes, but what do you personally think happened on the day Madeleine disappeared? What was the series of events?

Im sorry, I was explaining what leads to my opinion by compiling a list of facts ,My OPINION is ,Maddie died the 2nd May ,accidently,Amaral believes ,and i agree with his theory, she was drugged and woke up ,climbed on the sofa to look out of window to see if she could see her parents and fell behind ,this accounts for the blood particals found behind and explains why Kate washed the curtains
I also think they hid her body in the wardrobe ,the reasons cadaver dogs found scent in them ,then cleaned 5a thinking they had got rid of all evidence ,but they didnt
I think the 3rd of May was spent concocting alibis and the night time they made sure tapas staff saw them keep checking on the children ,
I think when Smiths saw Gerry carrying Maddie body he was taking it to a safe place, until it was moved finally 26 days after they hired the car on the trip to Huelva ,the body fluids found in hire car was consistent with a body being kept in a freezer or very cold fridge

[Niamh.]

Kate washed the curtains in the apartment, really?

Why would they hide her body if she died accidentally though? Why not just tell the truth? I mean is it because they left her alone? and if so isn't your child having been abducted because you left her alone just as bad as your child having an accident and dying because you left them alone?

[Lee.]

Madeleine was seen at the hotel pool on the 3rd may?

[AnnieK]

Yeah I thought she been seen on the day?

[Niamh.]

For the record I do think there's something dodgy about the McCanns story but that accidental death doesn't make alot of sense to me

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by anniek76

Who is it that you think is being dogmatic here?

Objection! leading the witness...
let's not start all this 'he said she said' it's very boring.
Some just have a different perception than is currently the 'norm' can that not just be accepted?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by anniek76

Yeah I thought she been seen on the day?

So did I.. Although I think there were claims that the photos that had been taken on the day had been photoshopped to make it look like Madeleine was there..

But that aside, I think witnesses claimed to have seen her on the day.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Objection! leading the witness...
let's not start all this 'he said she said' it's very boring.
Some just have a different perception than is currently the 'norm' can that not just be accepted?

I wasn't starting anything, I was simply asking the question. Your response about dogmatism was quite patronising so I was simply querying who you were talking about, that's all. Of course I can accept different perceptions..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

So did I.. Although I think there were claims that the photos that had been taken on the day had been photoshopped to make it look like Madeleine was there..

But that aside, I think witnesses claimed to have seen her on the day.

Jane Tanner little girl and Maddie were very similar in looks and same age ...the creche records are all wrong too

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Jane Tanner little girl and Maddie were very similar in looks and same age ...the creche records are all wrong too

So the crčche staff were in on it too?? What about the photos that were taken of Madeleine on that day?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Kate washed the curtains in the apartment, really?

Why would they hide her body if she died accidentally though? Why not just tell the truth? I mean is it because they left her alone? and if so isn't your child having been abducted because you left her alone just as bad as your child having an accident and dying because you left them alone?

IMO (And Im expecting to get shot down for it as per usual,but past caring to be honest) I dont think they were left as often as they say ,IMO they left them that night and made sure lots of witnesses that they had, because without admitting neglect they could not claim abduction

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by anniek76

I wasn't starting anything, I was simply asking the question. Your response about dogmatism was quite patronising so I was simply querying who you were talking about, that's all. Of course I can accept different perceptions..

You can take exception to my choice of words if you wish, that is not the context in which that was meant however.
As I've said before it's better to remain objective.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

So the crčche staff were in on it too?? What about the photos that were taken of Madeleine on that day?

No of course not ,Im not saying that ,the photos as you say were not genuine

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

IMO (And Im expecting to get shot down for it as per usual,but past caring to be honest) I dont think they were left as often as they say ,IMO they left them that night and made sure lots of witnesses that they had, because without admitting neglect they could not claim abduction

I'm not looking to shoot you down Chuff, I'm genuinely curious about the case and about what might have happened

But why do you think they wanted to claim abduction if she died accidentally? I don't get the reasoning

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im sorry, I was explaining what leads to my opinion by compiling a list of facts ,My OPINION is ,Maddie died the 2nd May ,accidently,Amaral believes ,and i agree with his theory, she was drugged and woke up ,climbed on the sofa to look out of window to see if she could see her parents and fell behind ,this accounts for the blood particals found behind and explains why Kate washed the curtains
I also think they hid her body in the wardrobe ,the reasons cadaver dogs found scent in them ,then cleaned 5a thinking they had got rid of all evidence ,but they didnt
I think the 3rd of May was spent concocting alibis and the night time they made sure tapas staff saw them keep checking on the children ,
I think when Smiths saw Gerry carrying Maddie body he was taking it to a safe place, until it was moved finally 26 days after they hired the car on the trip to Huelva ,the body fluids found in hire car was consistent with a body being kept in a freezer or very cold fridge

I'm sorry.. But I can't believe this was how it happened. Not a word of it.

I mean... Where would somebody first of all find somebody willing to loan Gerry a freezer to hide his dead daughter.. Then how exactly would they dispose of her body? (I'm presuming they're novices)

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No of course not ,Im not saying that ,the photos as you say were not genuine

So as well as a loan of a freezer, they also managed to borrow a printer and a computer secretly and photoshopped maddie into a few photos??

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not looking to shoot you down Chuff, I'm genuinely curious about the case and about what might have happened

But why do you think they wanted to claim abduction if she died accidentally? I don't get the reasoning

Ive puzzled about that too, but I think a lot of it is because they were Drs and they had a lot to lose if Maddie had died due to their neglect and with being given something to make her sleep they would both be struck off

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

So as well as a loan of a freezer, they also managed to borrow a printer and a computer secretly and photoshopped maddie into a few photos??

They used Warners printer (see police files)

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I'm sorry.. But I can't believe this was how it happened. Not a word of it.

I mean... Where would somebody first of all find somebody willing to loan Gerry a freezer to hide his dead daughter.. Then how exactly would they dispose of her body? (I'm presuming they're novices)

Tell you what Lee ,lets agree to disagree, people with closed minds never want to think for themselves ,they prefer to follow and think "Not on my doorstep"