[Josy]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

He purposefully set Luisa up to say something about Linda's husband and then pretended it never happened as usual.

That wasn't what I asked you?

I know what Jim done and he was wrong to bring up what he did, did you see Linda start the argument earlier in the night or not?

[Macie Lightfoot]

You're speaking as if one arguments means that Jim's general MO isn't what I said it was.

[Jordan.]

People acting like Jim is a victim and Linda has no reason at all to have a vendetta against him lmfao. Actually looking forward to this series ending now.

[Ammi]

..if anyone was having and argument with someone and no matter how angry they were or how much that person was being an idiot to them....would it really ever be acceptable to then bring up something about a deceased spouse which they knew would bring back a bad memory and a bad time in that person's life...Linda behaved badly but Jim behaved worse...really just about as low as someone can go....

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..if anyone was having and argument with someone and no matter how angry they were or how much that person was being an idiot to them....would it really ever be acceptable to then bring up something about a deceased spouse which they knew would bring back a bad memory and a bad time in that person's life...Linda behaved badly but Jim behaved worse...really just about as low as someone can go....

She's always trying to povoke him. She surrounds herself with her little posse and slags him off on a daily basis. Now for me that is worse.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..if anyone was having and argument with someone and no matter how angry they were or how much that person was being an idiot to them....would it really ever be acceptable to then bring up something about a deceased spouse which they knew would bring back a bad memory and a bad time in that person's life...Linda behaved badly but Jim behaved worse...really just about as low as someone can go....

True Ammi

Sadly people let their support for a housemates blind their morals

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She hates him because she knows what her husband did,imo.

She hates him because she blames Jim for having him arrested for being a theif

[smeagol]

so if someone dies you cant ever mention them again, thats nuts

he can mention who he likes he knew them. and if that is the cause of her problem then he can mention it.

she plays the victim well, she doesn't give a crap she just wants to hate

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's always trying to povoke him. She surrounds herself with her little posse and slags him off on a daily basis. Now for me that is worse.

That's what Conor did with Deana though?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sampvt

She hates him because she blames Jim for having him arrested for being a theif

She needs to let go,this must have been a while ago,frank carsons been dead some time hasn't he?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smeagol

so if someone dies you cant ever mention them again, thats nuts

he can mention who he likes he knew them. and if that is the cause of her problem then he can mention it.

she plays the victim well, she doesn't give a crap she just wants to hate

That's exactly how I feel smeagol,

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by smeagol

so if someone dies you cant ever mention them again, thats nuts

he can mention who he likes he knew them. and if that is the cause of her problem then he can mention it.

she plays the victim well, she doesn't give a crap she just wants to hate

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's exactly how I feel smeagol,

yeah its just common sense.

we are the wise ones lol

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by smeagol

so if someone dies you cant ever mention them again, thats nuts

he can mention who he likes he knew them. and if that is the cause of her problem then he can mention it.

she plays the victim well, she doesn't give a crap she just wants to hate

I'm sure you'd be saying the same if it was someone close to you who had been brought up.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..if anyone was having and argument with someone and no matter how angry they were or how much that person was being an idiot to them....would it really ever be acceptable to then bring up something about a deceased spouse which they knew would bring back a bad memory and a bad time in that person's life...Linda behaved badly but Jim behaved worse...really just about as low as someone can go....

I don't think I have seen anyone on here tonight saying it was acceptable what Jim brought up though Ammi?

My point earlier in this thread is that no matter if you hate a certain housemate or think a housemate is amazing you should still at least admit when they have been in the wrong..especially when it was shown for us all to see.

Anyone excusing Lindas behaviour tonight because they hate Jim is just doing so for that reason alone because she was far from innocent and vice versa.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..if anyone was having and argument with someone and no matter how angry they were or how much that person was being an idiot to them....would it really ever be acceptable to then bring up something about a deceased spouse which they knew would bring back a bad memory and a bad time in that person's life...Linda behaved badly but Jim behaved worse...really just about as low as someone can go....

Jim was a dick but I think there are a lot of double standards where Jim and Linda are concerned; if they have bad blood between them from the past then Linda shouldn't keep provoking Jim and then be upset when he rises to the bait and responds to said bad blood. Also if the shoe were on the other foot, would it be okay to bring up Jim's alcohol problems or mentioning his domestic abuse with his ex-wife? That would bring back bad memories from a bad time in his life.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't think I have seen anyone on here tonight saying it was acceptable what Jim brought up though Ammi?

My point earlier in this thread is that no matter if you hate a certain housemate or think a housemate is amazing you should still at least admit when they have been in the wrong..especially when it was shown for us all to see.

Anyone excusing Lindas behaviour tonight because they hate Jim is just doing so for that reason alone because she was far from innocent and vice versa.

..yeah, I agree because no one is always in the wright or always in the wrong in anything but it can sometimes be a thing in BB that if it's a favourite, whatever they do, it will always be somehow be seen as 'justified' but for me..(and because everyone is flawed..)...it's about acknowledging those flaws, which I know you do but still thinking that you see far more good things in someone that override them, which I do understand...I haven't actually got a favourite but even when I have, I don't think I've ever seen anyone as never being wrong sometimes in certain situations in the house...anyway as for Jim, for me personally and regardless of past histories etc I just haven't seen enough of the good things that others may have to override any opinion or any of his less than good qualities...and tbh, before he said that to Luisa and he did say to her to ask Linda about it...I was actually thinking by walking away/not responding etc to her silliness, that he was showing that maybe he was not too bad after all....(anyway, this is a bit of a rushed post because I'm late for work..)....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zee

Jim was a dick but I think there are a lot of double standards where Jim and Linda are concerned; if they have bad blood between them from the past then Linda shouldn't keep provoking Jim and then be upset when he rises to the bait and responds to said bad blood. Also if the shoe were on the other foot, would it be okay to bring up Jim's alcohol problems or mentioning his domestic abuse with his ex-wife? That would bring back bad memories from a bad time in his life.

...hmm, well I guess we all see things differently and that's the beauty..(and craziness..)..of BB because although I agree she's been quite awful, it's quite easy to behave and respond well to friends or people that we like or are being nice to us but to me, the telling of a true character is how someone responds to someone who behaves badly and the response he showed, to me was not good at all...

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmm, well I guess we all see things differently and that's the beauty..(and craziness..)..of BB because although I agree she's been quite awful, it's quite easy to behave and respond well to friends or people that we like or are being nice to us but to me, the telling of a true character is how someone responds to someone who behaves badly and the response he showed, to me was not good at all...

real people showing real emotion, good and bad.
I have only ever seen you lose your cool on here once and that was with me!.

if someone smacks you in the mouth!, you don't say thankyou!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Zee

Jim was a dick but I think there are a lot of double standards where Jim and Linda are concerned; if they have bad blood between them from the past then Linda shouldn't keep provoking Jim and then be upset when he rises to the bait and responds to said bad blood. Also if the shoe were on the other foot, would it be okay to bring up Jim's alcohol problems or mentioning his domestic abuse with his ex-wife? That would bring back bad memories from a bad time in his life.

fighting fire with fire.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

But Jim's the one who causes arguments though? His MO is to make a passive aggressive comment to get a reaction out of someone (a woman) and then get made when THEY are understandably defensive. And then he mutters to himself and walks away and has a cigarette.

This is what I just don't get. He's delivering text book examples of how to be passive aggressive, and that seems to go over so many people's heads. And it's always, *always* women who are his targets.

[bez87]

Originally Posted by mizzy25

well he did say to louissa to ask what happened in frank carson (or whoever it was) dressing room tonight, then clearly tried to back track. So obviously something happened way back but it is her husband and he is now dead so I think jim stopped a bit low there, prob not realising **** stirrer luissa went and asked linda asap.

he actually just turned round and said " ask her about frank carson's dressing room" lusia then went on to say "What?" and at this point Jim repeated what he said, so how Lusia is a **** stirrer is beyond me because i'm pretty sure if someone said to me go ask so and so about something i'd go and ask them about it, but Jim knew that, he is a little low life little human being who thinks he better than everyone else and yet he prob has done some of the worst stuff in his life compared to everyone else.

I'm not defending linda she annoying the way she snaps, but i honestly believe jim gets a kick out of it winding her up saying snid remarks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think she has huge anger issues with him but him mentioning any incident which involved her deceased husband was extremely low...

I disagree. The guy died in 2007 and he is not some Islamic god. So what if he is dead?

She had it coming by pushing Jim to the limit. His comment about Luisa not having a dad around was based on the fact he is a dad and has children and that harridan Nolan pounced on him.

Then she plays the *sob* dead husband card like she is a martyr.

Pathetic

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MachoPoodle

This is what I just don't get. He's delivering text book examples of how to be passive aggressive, and that seems to go over so many people's heads. And it's always, *always* women who are his targets.

I think its because the women have a set idea about him based on newspaper column inches and have not given him a chance, fueled by Nolans hate

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Catweazel

I disagree. The guy died in 2007 and he is not some Islamic god. So what if he is dead?

She had it coming by pushing Jim to the limit. His comment about Luisa not having a dad around was based on the fact he is a dad and has children and that harridan Nolan pounced on him.

Then she plays the *sob* dead husband card like she is a martyr.

Pathetic

No it's based on him thinking she needs a man in her life to be happy.

He said "It doesn't bother you that you don't have a man there?"

Linda pointed out that once again he'd turned the convo into man/woman thing when Luisa was talking about her relationship with her daughter and how she likes to dance around with her to Maltilda.