[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Interesting to see a statistic today that says when questioned, a higher percentage of English people want to see Scotland leave the UK, than Scottish people want to leave.

Yes as it would save us Big Money.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

English people being xenophobic?? No! Never! I refuse to believe your cruel slander.

I don't look on it as xenophobia.. They simply believe what they're told from the government; that England subsidise us, we're reliant in Westminster handouts etc.. The very same government who are so agains Scotland going it alone?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes as it would save us Big Money.

If this was true, there would be no independence battle. London would be all for it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I don't look on it as xenophobia.. They simply believe what they're told from the government; that England subsidise us, we're reliant in Westminster handouts etc.. The very same government who are so agains Scotland going it alone?

True but believing propaganda and basing negative opinions on it isn't a million miles from xenophobia, is it? "get rid of them jocks, subsidised by us English taxpayers!" has the same ring to it as the usual "immigrants out, coming here and taking our jobs!!" lark.

[Lee.]

I've honestly heard more intelligent debate than this down my local pub..

This is truly appalling! Biased, patronising, insulting and vastly unresearched drivel !!

http://wingsoverscotland.com/welcome...te/#more-45015

[arista]

"What did Ronni Anconi say? I can’t stand Madeley so I am not going to watch it. I reckon some Scots in London will just tell the MSM what they want to hear."


Yes Ronni a Secret Scot
on Ch5HD yesterday
very funny



[Donald Kerr says:
27 November, 2013 at 6:22 pm

Welcome to the debate Katie (What a gift!) – Here’s a couple of tweets:
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Katie Hopkins @KTHopkins
Nicole Sturgeon could frighten a man to infertility.
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Katie Hopkins @KTHopkins
Here is the blueprint for an Independent Scotland. It is 647 pages long. Waterstones are carrying it in the Fiction section.
—
This footage deserves to be spread far and wide.]


Katie is a Witch

[Kizzy]

According to the news Spain is making it more difficult than England as they are insisting Scotland will have to leave the EU and rejoin.
My feeling is united we stand, divided we fall. What's wrong with a certain amount of autonomy without being a totally separate country?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

According to the news Spain is making it more difficult than England as they are insisting Scotland will have to leave the EU and rejoin.
My feeling is united we stand, divided we fall. What's wrong with a certain amount of autonomy without being a totally separate country?

Its down to all those that have not picked a side
so many are not sure yet


all to play for.

[Lee.]

Did you watch the actual "debate" at the top if that page Arista? I loathe hopkins

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Did you watch the actual "debate" at the top if that page Arista? I loathe hopkins

Yes I record it
of course Hopkins will piss people off
Ronni was funny.


You can watch that show on this Ch5 site/wright stuff
that Scottish debate is the start
after a talk with Ronni.

http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-wright-stuff

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

According to the news Spain is making it more difficult than England as they are insisting Scotland will have to leave the EU and rejoin.
My feeling is united we stand, divided we fall. What's wrong with a certain amount of autonomy without being a totally separate country?

Well that is a problem that Alex Salmond does need to address,Spain is likely correct in what it said.

Scotland is not a singular part of the EU, it is one of the Nations involved in the UK and it is the UK which is the member state.
Should Scotland leave the UK then it cannot possibly have voting rights in the EU after that until it is a member in its own right.

Scotland will in effect, if it votes to leave the UK be a different State altogether so will by that action also leave the EU being no longer a part of the accepted member State that is the United Kingdom.

I doubt that the EU would not permit them to join but it would I guess have to be that they would have to apply to join if independent, like any other Sate would.
That process meantime will not likely help the Scottish economy in the immediate short term..

[Kizzy]

Well that might be an end to it as if it's unacceptable to share resources with the rest of the UK the whole of the EU has no chance.

[fingers]

Meanwhile wee fat Eck continues peddling his Pie in the Sky for all those who think he's sussed it!

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

According to the news Spain is making it more difficult than England as they are insisting Scotland will have to leave the EU and rejoin.
My feeling is united we stand, divided we fall. What's wrong with a certain amount of autonomy without being a totally separate country?

I wonder what Catalonian shaped reason that could be for?

I dunno, every passing day I feel more inclined to vote for independence. People telling us we can't do it and scoffing at the idea is patronising, I think the Better Together campaign needs to put some serious work in over the next year because I think they're seriously underestimating the SNP and the Yes campaign. Scotland's traditionally always been a left wing country and I think a combination of the hype the SNP are creating and the fact we've got a bizarre right wing-left wing government that nobody voted for, mostly dominated by the right wing, could potentially push a lot of undecided voters into voting for independence.

[Kizzy]

I've been thinking... (v dangerous I know) I've an awful feeling Scottish independence is a sneaky way of getting us out of Europe without a referendum...
If Scots do vote in favour of independence then they will have to re-apply for EU membership, but maybe they won't?
That way David Cameron could let recruitment agencies set up there bypassing work and wage laws, trade and other restrictions in place atm.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Snow Angel

I've been thinking... (v dangerous I know) I've an awful feeling Scottish independence is a sneaky way of getting us out of Europe without a referendum...
If Scots do vote in favour of independence then they will have to re-apply for EU membership, but maybe they won't?
That way David Cameron could let recruitment agencies set up there bypassing work and wage laws, trade and other restrictions in place atm.

No they will not have to

Also
SNP Scotland Nation

Kill Labour Forever
Bliss

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

No they will not have to

Also
SNP Scotland Nation

Kill Labour Forever
Bliss

You actually make a good point there; Scotland would most likely continue along "two party" lines, swinging between SNP and Labour... but what would happen in the rest of the UK? A large chunk of the Labour vote comes from north of the border... Tories would be in a very strong position in England.

[arista]

Youtube video

Check out Limmy

[lostalex]

My mom's family is Scottish, so i'm kinda scottish....this is how i feel

Originally Posted by lostalex

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

No they will not have to

Also
SNP Scotland Nation

Kill Labour Forever
Bliss

I would emigrate if I was damned to a lifelong tory government tbh. I imagine a lot of other working class people would too.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would emigrate if I was damned to a lifelong tory government tbh. I imagine a lot of other working class people would too.

well make sure it's before Cameron tries to halt EU freedom of movement in the UK.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well make sure it's before Cameron tries to halt EU freedom of movement in the UK.

Oh good god you are right. What if I am stuck here forever, damned to a life of Cameron and IDS and whichever smug twats takes their place when they retire on fat pensions laughing all the way to the bank

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would emigrate if I was damned to a lifelong tory government tbh. I imagine a lot of other working class people would too.

First of all to arista, actually it wouldn't kill off Labour at all,the 1997 and 2001 election victories for Labour would still have been considerable overall majorities for labour even without all the Scottish seats and votes.
Even in 2005, Labour would likely have scraped home, you have to realise that the Lib Dem seats and the odd Conservative ones would be gone from the equation too as well as the SNP'S.

As to Vicky's point above, I still believe the Scots will reject independence. However if by some really awful backward miracle it looked like the Conservatives had any chance at all of winning the 2015 election then that may sway some undecided voters to go for independence.

Further to Vicky's point, I am still sad there is still over a year of this Govt to go yet and I have to console myself, for the most vulnerable in the UK, that at least they will be gone in 2015.
I couldn't,I think, bear this lot in for a single year more past 2015 let alone be in for good.

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

Youtube video

Check out Limmy

PM David Cameron is on this

[arista]

Amazing The Chancellor Osborne (was just Live ) talking Bollocks

Osborne Warns Scotland: No Union, No Pound


http://news.sky.com/story/1210805/os...union-no-pound