[Niall]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Anyone can discuss it, like feminist theory, it's just a another way talk about the culture around us.

The word queer has evolved past the part where a minority community reclaim it. That part was achieved. So to compare this to the n-word. That is still at the stage where a minority are reclaiming it.

This is precisely what I mean.

[lostalex]

to be fair, black men are one of the least discriminated groups in the US. Let US REMEMBER IN AMERICAN HISTORY, black men had the right to vote before white women. and gay people still don't have equal rights./ So black men might complain the most, but they most certainly are not the most discriminated against minority.

the squeaky wheel always gets the grease though.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Anyone can discuss it, like feminist theory, it's just a another way talk about the culture around us.

The word queer has evolved past the part where a minority community reclaim it. That part was achieved. So to compare this to the n-word. That is still at the stage where a minority are reclaiming it.

I see that to a certain extent but I think queer is too broad a term to be specifically offensive, and not a term designed to describe gays in the same way 'N' was for black people.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see that to a certain extent but I think queer is too broad a term to be specifically offensive, and not a term designed to describe gays in the same way 'N' was for black people.

i actually agree... I think they way both words are used nowadays are entirely different.

[lostalex]

i think we should just talk about discrimination, period. who cares which minority, discrimination is discrimination. equal rights is equal rights. any mistreatment of minorities is unacceptable imo. gay, black, disabled, female, whatever the minority is, all discrimination is equally wrong.

[lostalex]

to answer the original question though, do i care about who says what words? no.

I care about people mistreating other human beings.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

Nah. Not double standards at all really.

Ameliorating a slur is a long process that's kind of integral to elevating a minority out of oppression. The word has to be reclaimed by that minority and its meaning redefined by them to properly break down its last entrenched vestiges of linguistic oppression.

Bollocks.

You're not blind siding me with your fancy words.

[Crimson Dynamo]

F me

are they still saying it?

Its been like 3 days

[Kyle]

Just out of curiosity how 'black' can you be to be able to qualify for saying that word?

Like, If your great, great Gran was an African American are you allowed to say it?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Just out of curiosity how 'black' can you be to be able to qualify for saying that word?

Like, If your great, great Gran was an African American are you allowed to say it?

OH..no I fear this Thread is about to take off again...

How Black is Black to be able to own the "N" word.....

Perhaps if you can trace your ancestry back to Africa ??

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kyle

Just out of curiosity how 'black' can you be to be able to qualify for saying that word?

Like, If your great, great Gran was an African American are you allowed to say it?

Good question that

I mean could Andi Peters get away with using it?

[GiRTh]

I thought this was a serious debate?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I thought this was a serious debate?

The question just how black do you have to be to get away with the N word is a good debate and i doubt can be answered easily.

(we have mods for marking threads so take some time off to join in)

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The question just how black do you have to be to get away with the N word is a good debate and i doubt can be answered easily.

(we have mods for marking threads so take some time off to join in)

Its a stupid question. Do you think people qualify to use the word do you? You're clearly not taking this very seriously.

[Marsh.]

Well clearly you have to qualify considering only specific people can use it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Its a stupid question. Do you think people qualify to use the word do you? You're clearly not taking this very seriously.

I am taking it as seriously as one can about a word that is generally used by the uneducated and or numpty rappers who should know better.

[GiRTh]

Even those people who 'qualify' may find themselves on the end of an angry exchange if they use it.

Too many people on this forum seem to think this word is used by just about every black person. It isnt. Even in my family there are people who will not use that word and if they do they will get an angry response. If you guys think that there is just some kind of qualification that you have to pass then you're free to say ***** at will then you clearly dont understand the history, impact and divisive nature of the word.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am taking it as seriously as one can about a word that is generally used by the uneducated and or numpty rappers who should know better.

You dont know what you're talking about.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Even those people who 'qualify' may find themselves on the end of an angry exchange if they use it.

Too many people on this forum seem to think this word is used by just about every black person. It isnt. Even in my family there are people who will not use that word and if they do they will get an angry response. If you guys think that there is just some kind of qualification that you have to pass then you're free to say ***** at will then you clearly dont understand the history, impact and divisive nature of the word.

This thread has repeatedly stated that
1. its an american thing
2. its a words used by the poorly educated and lower social scale sector
3. Its used by idiot rappers and in games like GTA

No one is saying that its prevalent in the UK or that most black people use it.

dismount your high horse and read the thread

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You dont know what you're talking about.

see above

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This thread has repeatedly stated that
1. its an american thing
2. its a words used by the poorly educated and lower social scale sector
3. Its used by idiot rappers and in games like GTA

No one is saying that its prevalent in the UK or that most black people use it.

dismount your high horse and read the thread

1. It isnt just an American thing. Its a west Indian thing too

2. You could say that of any taboo word. I dont see the point you;re making there

3. So what. What are you saying. Why does that matter.

Dont tell me about any kind of high horse until you understand the subject. Which you clearly dont.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

1. It isnt just an American thing. Its a west Indian thing too

2. You could say that of any taboo word. I dont see the point you;re making there

3. So what. What are you saying. Why does that matter.

Dont tell me about any kind of high horse until you understand the subject. Which you clearly dont.

I understand it and understand your constant need to tell me i dont

[Niamh.]

This thread is getting ridiculous now tbqh, I'm baffled why any white person feels the need to even argue about it, it's not like you would ever use that word anyway, why do you care if black people do or not, how does it effect you in anyway

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I understand it and understand your constant need to tell me i dont

You didnt answer the points I made. Why does it matter that rappers use it? What makes you think its just an American thing? I dont think you do understand but I'll stop reminding you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You didnt answer the points I made. Why does it matter that rappers use it? What makes you think its just an American thing? I dont think you do understand but I'll stop reminding you.

Its mainly an American thing due to numbers and history but noone has stated its exclusive. No one said that rappers using it mattered only that they did.

oh and having a rather "obvious" avatar doth not make you the resident MLK round here