[arista]

Cigarettes To Be Stripped Of Branding
The Government performs a third U-turn on packaging after a report says thousands of children could be discouraged from smoking.


Down Under version

http://news.sky.com/story/1236588/ci...ed-of-branding


To help stop children getting into fags

[the truth]

that would be terrific if it is finally banned

[Glenn.]

I find this completely ridiculous. Children don't smoke because of the pretty boxes.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

that would be terrific if it is finally banned

As if. The only way they could afford to do that would be to raise everyones taxes a hell of a lot..then I doubt people would be so after a total ban when they are paying an extra few grand a year in taxes

I agree though, if they are bothered about peoples health as claimed, then a ban would be the best way to go about it, but the tax money keeps that from happening IMO.

The government are already crapping their panties at the thought of how sucessful e-cigs have been in stopping people smoking, hence talks about making it illegal to use them in public places

[Vicky.]

And I dont see what difference plain packaging would do when cigs are hidden away in shops and that now anyway?

If it stops even one child starting (which I doubt it will..but lets give it the benefit of the doubt) then its worthwhile...but it all seems rather pointless to me. Especially when in the next breath they appear to be trying to get people to start smoking again so they can take their money

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I find this completely ridiculous. Children don't smoke because of the pretty boxes.

exactly lol , the fact they are now hidden and unbranded makes them even more attractive. no one wants to grab that pretty easter egg with the choc inside they want to hunt for the ones the easter bunny left hidden. lol

[Ramsay]

Hasen't this been talked about happening for years now? swear to god every 6 months or so this comes up

[arista]

Originally Posted by Karl

Hasen't this been talked about happening for years now? swear to god every 6 months or so this comes up

Yes
Check the heading
"3rd Time Lucky"

[Smithy]

Is that keith Lemmon on the packet

[Saph]

lmao I thought that

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Is that keith Lemmon on the packet

No a Dead Smoker
Down Under

[anne666]

Ban it and have fun paying the lost Ł12 billion revenue is what I say.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As if. The only way they could afford to do that would be to raise everyones taxes a hell of a lot..then I doubt people would be so after a total ban when they are paying an extra few grand a year in taxes

I agree though, if they are bothered about peoples health as claimed, then a ban would be the best way to go about it, but the tax money keeps that from happening IMO.

The government are already crapping their panties at the thought of how sucessful e-cigs have been in stopping people smoking, hence talks about making it illegal to use them in public places

Exactly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by anne666

Ban it and have fun paying the lost Ł12 billion revenue is what I say.

They'd have to lash a load of tax onto alcohol to try and compensate..........and many many other things

[the truth]

the money we collect in taxes is more than lost in the amount of money spent on treating the health of these millions of smokers. ban the advertising. let these addicts waste their money on other dumb products

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

the money we collect in taxes is more than lost in the amount of money spent on treating the health of these millions of smokers. ban the advertising. let these addicts waste their money on other dumb products

Thats untrue actually. Smokers pay in a lot more than they take out, as a whole. They die younger in general too..which means less expensive 24/7 care that comes with age related diseases is needed for that particular group. Oddly enough, its the same for obese people too..cost the NHS less than the average 'healthy' person. I suspect its probably the same for alcoholics too..

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats untrue actually. Smokers pay in a lot more than they take out, as a whole. They die younger in general too..which means less expensive 24/7 care that comes with age related diseases is needed for that particular group. Oddly enough, its the same for obese people too..cost the NHS less than the average 'healthy' person. I suspect its probably the same for alcoholics too..

come off it vicky , there is no way on the planet you could get close to proving that enormous sweeping statement. you can calculate in an insteant how much is lost from the deaths of millions of people through smoking in lost productivity, GDP, work at the workplace, at home, raising kids, paying taxes , national insurance contributions, they too could have acted as carers for sick people too, you just have no idea how to measure the opportunity lost from millions of these people either dying younger or suffering premature serious health issues etc etc over decades?

clearly we need to get rid of this absurd advertitisng , save thousands maybe millions more lives, get a healthier society, capable of working and producing far more for far longer. the issue of pensions and care is a timebomb for a different day. and the way to try and help tackle that is NOT to carelessly allow or even actively encourage people to kill themselves with tobacco

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

come off it vicky , there is no way on the planet you could get close to proving that enormous sweeping statement. you can calculate in an insteant how much is lost from the deaths of millions of people through smoking in lost productivity, GDP, work at the workplace, at home, raising kids, paying taxes , national insurance contributions, they too could have acted as carers for sick people too, you just have no idea how to measure the opportunity lost from millions of these people either dying younger or suffering premature serious health issues etc etc over decades?

clearly we need to get rid of this absurd advertitisng , save thousands maybe millions more lives, get a healthier society, capable of working and producing far more for far longer. the issue of pensions and care is a timebomb for a different day. and the way to try and help tackle that is NOT to carelessly allow or even actively encourage people to kill themselves with tobacco

Not in an instant no, but from years worth of research thats readily available on the internet...and a little bit of common sense too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...er-report.html

Cost NHS less in long run...so saving money

http://bma.org.uk/working-for-change...ing-statistics

2.7b cost to the NHS for smoking related illnesses
2.5b lost in sick leave and such

http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-public...-from-tobacco/

12.7b revenue from smokers

7.2 billion difference if I am not mistaken...so put in more than they take out, as I said.

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It would be nice to see everyone stop smoking, but its never going to happen. And the government certainly dont want to to either. Just watch this space, 2 years time or so e-cigs will be illegal all over the UK because they help many people to stop

Also I dont think I have ever seen cigarette advertising, ever

[joeysteele]

In some shops for a single pound or less you can get a 'pretty' case for loose cigs or one to put the whole packet in.

This is a waste of time in my view and a very poor token gesture.

If they were really serious as trying to stop people smoking they would at least double the price of cigarettes.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Is that keith Lemmon on the packet

this

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

In some shops for a single pound or less you can get a 'pretty' case for loose cigs or one to put the whole packet in.

This is a waste of time in my view and a very poor token gesture.

If they were really serious as trying to stop people smoking they would at least double the price of cigarettes.

No, they would stop selling ciggies period. Raising the cost is stupid and greedy considering the revenue they already make.

And when ciggies are banned, we can start on alcohol..which ruins many more lives than smoking does. Then we can start banning cream cakes and such. Then the NHS can collapse under the weight of millions of OAPs with alzheimers, and everyone will be happy

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Is that keith Lemmon on the packet

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

In some shops for a single pound or less you can get a 'pretty' case for loose cigs or one to put the whole packet in.

This is a waste of time in my view and a very poor token gesture.

If they were really serious as trying to stop people smoking they would at least double the price of cigarettes.

No I am with Vicky on this
if it stops a child from starting to smoke
then its well worth doing

[Vicky.]

I'm all for anything that helps people stop smoking/stops them starting by the way. Hence why I am really against the e-cig ban.

I just think its funny as **** to watch the government attempt to make out they want people to stop when they know fine well the country cant afford for people to stop.

[Vicky.]

Also I feel the need to point out that all the hoohah about kids not smoking..is more likely to make them smoke. Does noone remember being a teenager, where things that were bad were what you wanted o do the most?