[Ammi]

..I'm really no fan of Helen at all as a person and how she's been in the house with her part in how Jale has been treated but in so many threads I've read name calling/'cheap jokes' that refers to what she does/did for a living and not just on the forum but on the internet in general...I know CBB is different because we know something about the housemates before they enter the house so our opinions can be biased from that and Jim Davidson was a good example because he didn't have the most 'positive' of pasts but we were always reminded that judgement should just be on behaviour within the house/does the same not apply here even though we had this pre-knowledge of her ...I find it personally really irritating and irrelevant to read so many snidey remarks about Helen and what she does for a living because I don't think it's relevant to 'judging' her in the house and also a little bit detracts from what is actually happening in the isolation of Jale...

..thoughts..?...

[ruiphillips]

Once a slapper, always a slapper

[AnnieK]

Nope her previous occupation doesn't have any bearing for me. Her attitude and treatment of others is what I judge her on.....both stink IMO.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by ruiphillips

Once a slapper, always a slapper

..is that relevant to being referred to with her behaviour in the house though..?..isn't it more about how awful and mean she's being with Jale..?..

[chuff me dizzy]

I think its down to personal choice or opinion ,everytime i look at her I see an wizened up twisted prossie ,as someone said above ,once a prossie always a prossie

[Marc]

Yeah she's a footballer shagging *****

[AnnieK]

She shagged a football??? That's a new low

[Fish_Fingers]

She's hardly using this opportunity to present herself in a positive light. If she were, I think most people would probably respect her a lot more and give her a second chance. Her history would more than likely be forgotten by most, if she conducted herself with grace and decorum. She may even have managed to forge a brighter future for herself.

Unfortunately she has not been able to make the most of the opportunity presented to her, and while some of the comments aimed at her may seem harsh, I cannot really feel any sympathy for her. It'll take a MASSIVE about-face for her to turn it around.

[Marc]

OI. It's early

[Cherie]

No i don't think her what she did for a living had any more relevance than Kim being a playboy bunny. Helen came into the house to show she was so much more than her past, her being a prostitute pales into insignificance as to what she really is a nasty excuse for a human being.

[Jamesy]

I think most people are just joking around rather than making a serious remark about her past.

[erinp5]

It is to Ash and Marlon ,they want a slut in the house .

[smeagol]

bb are going to put a red light in the window just so she can earn some more cash

jokes aside i judge the person. and she is disgusting in every way and the fact shes a 2 dollar ***** just shows how low the hoe will go

[Alf]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I think its down to personal choice or opinion ,everytime i look at her I see an wizened up twisted prossie ,as someone said above ,once a prossie always a prossie

It's a noble trade, valuable members of the community.

[Vanessa]

No, not for me.

[Livia]

If it wasn't for the fact she's a prostitute who shagged someone famous, does anyone think for one minute she'd be in Big Brother? No... she wouldn't. She's be slagging her wares around... wherever it is she slags her wares. And all the time she's making hurtful remarks about someone else, she's fair game in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Thankyou ammi, there have been many housemates who have been , escorts(nikki) porn stars (benedict), madams (hiedi), had affairs and sold stories (natasha)
They weren't given a bad time, and you're totally right those who insisted that jim was given a fair crack of the whip are now focusing almost exclusively on her past.

I don't like the woman, I'm not in agreement with any ill treatment of any housemate at all let's make that clear.
But as big brother created this monster? I compared it to the Stanford prison experiment the other day..
The housemates touched by the power or given 'guard' status are acting totally different to the other 'inmates'

'As the prisoners became more dependent, the guards became more derisive towards them. They held the prisoners in contempt and let the prisoners know it. As the guards’ contempt for them grew, the prisoners became more submissive.

As the prisoners became more submissive, the guards became more aggressive and assertive. They demanded ever greater obedience from the prisoners. The prisoners were dependent on the guards for everything so tried to find ways to please the guards, such as telling tales on fellow prisoners.'
http://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html

[Niamh.]

I wouldn't judge her on her career choice no and I would never call another woman a slut, slapper etc etc but I do have a low opinion of women who sleep with married men(the men are of course worse *terms and conditions apply* ), will I judge her on that? Yes, absolutely, especially when her personality since she's gone in there has been foul.

[kefln]

Remember when the playboy twin sisters were on CBB?

One of them was really upset that that drunk, who eventually won, pulled her pants down. The public had little sympathy because said twin was a playboy model. The "logic" was that she takes her clothes off for a living, so why should it bother her if someone pulls her pants off for "fun".

And that other girl who had a shopping list online for men to buy her things, can not remember her name. She got a bad reception by many, just for that.


What people do, reflects people's opinion. It really should be about what a HM does in the house. But it often isn't.

[Kizzy]

I don't like men who hit women much, and yet the 'it's in the past' angle was taken with jim, sounds like double standards to me.
I agree with the comment about the twins, they were humiliated regularly and viewed as a 'piece of meat' on the forum with glamour shots of their bottoms shown when they objected to the actions of the house lush.
And yet comments made by marlon to kim made her feel uncomfortable so it's now accepted that her work and her house persona are totally separate?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by ruiphillips

Once a slapper, always a slapper

Quite. People don't change. No amount of tarting up and plastic surgery will give her one ounce of class.

[Brother Leon]

It was pretty weird how she was bragging that she would rather **** in her own mouth than look at Marlon considering her former profession.

[Kazanne]

Her being a prostitute doesn't really matter to me,BUT when you couple it with the vile person she is,it makes it seem relevant that she is vile in any walk of life.You'de have thought she would have tried at least to be a little decent.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by Livia

If it wasn't for the fact she's a prostitute who shagged someone famous, does anyone think for one minute she'd be in Big Brother? No... she wouldn't. She's be slagging her wares around... wherever it is she slags her wares. And all the time she's making hurtful remarks about someone else, she's fair game in my opinion.

100% agree. Although I always thought that women, like her, who slag their wares are usually in the CBB House, especially when those wares are intended for famous people. So many people have agents these days that it makes it difficult for the ordinary Joe Blog to get anywhere.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm really no fan of Helen at all as a person and how she's been in the house with her part in how Jale has been treated but in so many threads I've read name calling/'cheap jokes' that refers to what she does/did for a living and not just on the forum but on the internet in general...I know CBB is different because we know something about the housemates before they enter the house so our opinions can be biased from that and Jim Davidson was a good example because he didn't have the most 'positive' of pasts but we were always reminded that judgement should just be on behaviour within the house/does the same not apply here even though we had this pre-knowledge of her ...I find it personally really irritating and irrelevant to read so many snidey remarks about Helen and what she does for a living because I don't think it's relevant to 'judging' her in the house and also a little bit detracts from what is actually happening in the isolation of Jale...

..thoughts..?...

Here life experience has helped to shape the person she is. If she was a Christian (hah), like Danielle, we would expect a certain standard of behaviour from her. If she was an intellectual (hah), we would expect a more cerebral response to things.

The fact is the things we do, say and experience, shapes determines the type of person we become.

She is a foul, rancid, bullying individual, obviously full of self loathing and resentment. I would suggest her previous lifestyle is very much relevant here in explaining how awful and nasty she is.

Clearly there are reasons for why people may become prostitutes; some do it because they are drug addicts, some because they want as much cash as possible for minimal effort, some choose it as a career. I would suggest Helen become one because she wants more than her abilities and accomplishments can provide her. In that sense, she is a nasty, exploitative, mean spirited skank. Therefore her skanky exploits are very much relevant to the type of person she is now.