[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's not hypocrisy. She's jumped between Danielle and Ashleigh all week.

If I had made a collective decision with others to evict someone and that was the final decision as we saw them make it when they were all there.
Then if I were to change my mind because one of them left,I would call myself a hypocrite.

Are you really trying to say had Pav been evicted for instance that Zoe would then have still chosen Danielle to go.
I would say for me 100%, she would not, and so again I say that is pure total hypocrisy in my book.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If I had made a collective decision with others to evict someone and that was the final decision as we saw them make it when they were all there.
Then if I were to change my mind because one of them left,I would call myself a hypocrite.

Are you really trying to say had Pav been evicted for instance that Zoe would then have still chosen Danielle to go.
I would say for me 100%, she would not, and so again I say that is pure total hypocrisy in my book.

No, what I'm saying is that's not the definition of hypocrite.

It was clear in their chat in the secret room that Pav/Zoe were at odds with Biannca. For whatever reason, Zoe decided to stick with Biannca, which she no longer had to do after she left.

Fickle, maybe. Hypocrite, not really.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, what I'm saying is that's not the definition of hypocrite.

.... and I am saying it is,with respect.
It would also seem a few others think it a hypocritical act of her too.

However you must think as you will, we clearly see things very differently.

[rionablue]

Zoe is a fake jealous little bitch. It was always going to be one of the girls she was going to evict her first target being Kim cos 'Kim didn't try with her' as regarding welcoming her to the house etc. I saw her have conversations with both Helen and Kim. Then she targeted Ashleigh cos she said she wanted to go home. Finally she decided on Danielle. Not once were any of the guys names mentioned. She is horrible with sneaky eyes and now she thinks she is top woman cos she got cheered I honestly prefer Helen to her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[smudgie]

Pav and Zoe both wanted to evict Danielle, Biannca would not agree to it, to break the stalemate at the last hour, Zoe sided with Biancca.
Only natural they would then go back to their original choice once Biannca went.


And if Kimberly had not gone they would have evicted her, all sorted until she walked or became ill.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, what I'm saying is that's not the definition of hypocrite.

It was clear in their chat in the secret room that Pav/Zoe were at odds with Biannca. For whatever reason, Zoe decided to stick with Biannca, which she no longer had to do after she left.

Fickle, maybe. Hypocrite, not really.

Why not,why did she not have to stand by that decision and firm choice they all made after discussion.
They had an important decision to make, they all had input, why didn't she stay undecided until the time, why make such a firm decision that was only going to change when one person she was agreeing with went.

To say you are going to make a decision, then to make that firm decision but to then on the spur of the moment change it,that is hypocrisy.
Clearly morals she has little of or any loyalties either,if she can change her mind that fast.

[rusticgal]

She should have been a little more humble....but instead played it all up big time...went right off her.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She should have been a little more humble....but instead played it all up big time...went right off her.

She was using her best West End skills to be humble, but she failed miserably

[sassysocks]

Zoe is a people pleaser. She didn't dare get rid of Steven as he is well liked in the house. She would have found herself up for nomination toot sweet.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

.... and I am saying it is,with respect.
It would also seem a few others think it a hypocritical act of her too.

However you must think as you will, we clearly see things very differently.

No, I agree with what you're saying she's done. But hypocrite isn't the right description.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

To say you are going to make a decision, then to make that firm decision but to then on the spur of the moment change it,that is hypocrisy.

No it isn't.

Changing your mind doesn't make you a hypocrite.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No it isn't.

Changing your mind doesn't make you a hypocrite.

Sorry but of course it does,in my book it does anyway.

If you say you are going to do one thing then you actually do another that is against that original agreement,then that is hypocrisy.

Anyway, you and I are going round in circles so you believe you are right and I will stick with my view.

Hypocrite she is to me and will stay that way.
If I did what she did last night,I would firmly class myself as a hypocrite by saying I would vote one way and then do the opposite.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If you say you are going to do one thing then you actually do another that is against that original agreement,then that is hypocrisy.

hypocritical

adjective
behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

A person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for.


With all due respect how does this apply to Zoe and the situation of changing your mind?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by erinp5

No she is crying because we saved her for her personality and not her singing, like X Factor is a singing comp.

Lucky she wasn't on X Factor then isn't it lol

[Heaven = Winner]

I was gonna say, hypocrisy really isn't the right word there. It's like saying you're a prude and totally against sex, and then go on to say that you've participated in sex parties before. That'd be hypocritical.

Zoe's definitely a people pleaser. She probably won't be too opinionated on things, but she'll follow what other housemates want to make them happy.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

hypocritical

adjective
behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

A person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for.


With all due respect how does this apply to Zoe and the situation of changing your mind?

or Danielle for short

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Zoe is a people pleaser. She didn't dare get rid of Steven as he is well liked in the house. She would have found herself up for nomination toot sweet.

..I totally agree with this and we know that it's never good for a newbie to go up for eviction and they're more often than not, the ones who will always go.

[coffee]

The thing that really annoyed me about Zoe was after Danielle had left the house she told everyone that the decision was told to big brother privately and made by all three of the new housemates. That was a total and complete lie and why I think Zoe is 100% fake.

[Fendertele]

I don't understand why Zoe is in there, isn't she some minor pop idol contestant or something?,( I don't subscribe to those shows)That Rylan bangs on about her on bbbots like she's some big star, surely she should be in the CBB....

[Northern Monkey]

She literally has zero impact on me whatsoever.Don't like her or dislike her.

[coffee]

Originally Posted by Fendertele

I don't understand why Zoe is in there, isn't she some minor pop idol contestant or something?,( I don't subscribe to those shows)That Rylan bangs on about her on bbbots like she's some big star, surely she should be in the CBB....

Exactly. If shes such a big deal then WHY isn't she there? and also, why was she a NEW housemate and not an original? She was chosen second best and that's because well... That's what she is.

[jet]

All 3 had decided on Kimberley and then they were told she wouldn't be returning to the house that evening and was exempt. As they could not have foreseen this, it is doubtful if they had a proper discussion of who should go between Ashleigh and Danielle. I imagine it would have been a rushed decision with the loudest and most pushy HM (Bianca) getting her way. As Pav and Zoe didn't really want Ashleigh to go, they took the opportunity to change their minds which they were entitled to do.

[Sophiee]

I'm not getting the hype with zoe at all. she is beginning to annoy me already.

[Crocodile Tears]

The bit that made me literally recoil in nausea was Zoe's 'surprise' and 'emotion' when her name was announced.
The crowd had made it blindingly obvious she was getting saved ahead of Pav and Bianca, but she still went ahead with the whole "bury-face-in-hands and wipe-away-non-existent-tears" routine.
Watching that was like biting into polystyrene dressed as food... Gross... CRINGE... FAKE!!
FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!

[muchadoaboutnothing]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If I had made a collective decision with others to evict someone and that was the final decision as we saw them make it when they were all there.
Then if I were to change my mind because one of them left,I would call myself a hypocrite.

Are you really trying to say had Pav been evicted for instance that Zoe would then have still chosen Danielle to go.
I would say for me 100%, she would not, and so again I say that is pure total hypocrisy in my book.

I totally agree with your defination of Hypocrisy Joey and I am 100% sure that if Pav had not been saved Zoe would have gone along with Biannca and evicted Ashleigh. From what I saw, Zoe is a bit of a fence sitter and tends (or appears) to appease the other HMs by going on what they might do rather than standing by her own convictions (if she has any).