[Livia]

Helen's been interesting in the same way that it's interesting to see a mass pile-up on the motorway. You look, but it's a little sickening and hardly what I'd call "entertaining".

[Sophiee]

it would've been fine without her, but I think she's definitely been one of the main additions to the series as a whole and made it more entertaining. her being there (or not) wouldn't affect my enjoyment of the show though.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Scared? I don't think so , just gutless

Which is why you are in the minority this time

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

But the next minute Helen is doing people's hair, helping with make up etc.

She is better liked in the house than outside it.

True.

By 50% in the house, by 15% outside.

[Yaki da]

Let's not get carried away with blaming everything on Helen.

The production team have ruined this series. Not her.

[Jack_]

Made it easily, I can't imagine how dire this series would've been without her. It's not been great, but I have enjoyed it...it would've been atrocious without her

Helen, Ashleigh, Danielle, Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark have been the stars of BB15

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Made it easily, I can't imagine how dire this series would've been without her. It's not been great, but I have enjoyed it...it would've been atrocious without her

Helen, Ashleigh, Danielle, Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark have been the stars of BB15

Have they?

Equally Ashleigh, Jale, Chris, Christopher have been the stars of the house. Just yoor perception.

[MojoNixon]

That F face ruined BB. Ash and Steven dominates house with her. And that REALLY ain't entertainment.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Made it easily, I can't imagine how dire this series would've been without her. It's not been great, but I have enjoyed it...it would've been atrocious without her

Helen, Ashleigh, Danielle, Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark have been the stars of BB15

Ask yourself this. Who are the favourites?

[andybigbro]

Neither. I don't like her but it doesn't mean that I feel the whole series was ruined.

Her being there is annoying but I still enjoy Big Brother.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Ask yourself this. Who are the favourites?

The favourites are more often than not not the stars of the show, last year was an exception when Dexter and Gina were the favourites but in general just because some housemates are the most popular it doesn't mean they've actually been the stars of the show and brought the most, that's an objective fact that has to be looked at separately

Sure, you might not like what they've brought to the show and some may even say they've ruined it, but it is an objective observation that they are the stars of the show...because they just are.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Made it easily, I can't imagine how dire this series would've been without her. It's not been great, but I have enjoyed it...it would've been atrocious without her

Helen, Ashleigh, Danielle, Pauline, Toya, Steven and Mark have been the stars of BB15

I think the series would have been better without her. If you have a "fight night" then there is high drama, but Helen has not provided anything anywhere close to a fight night, she has just been a bitch for most of the time. Constant bitching does not create good drama, it just makes people feel ill, angry and causes hate. The huge row in BB9 was fascinating because it affected the whole house and was very dramatic and included a vile housemate being ejected. Steven and Kimberly was just a pathetic showmance. Caused lots of talking points but that's not I want to see, I want to see natural dynamics and housemates interacting with each other. A showmance is a fake relationship and it lead to fake drama.

[rubymoo]

I think we may have seen different sides to people if she wasn't there. People may have relaxed more and had more fun if she wasn't there, however she has been a huge talking point and at times been fun to watch. In the beginning she was a nightmare! Part of me feels she spoilt it because she's squashed the others personalities, and i feel the way it's been manipulated by BB has only made it worse, saying that i have stuck with watching it but i'd say last years was better

[joeysteele]

She hasn't made the series but she certainly hasn't ruined it.

The ruination of the series is by BB themselves and Steven and Kimberley's sickening so called romance.

Helen is one of the real big characters of the series and has been entertaining to watch,it would have been far less interesting without her.
So although she hasn't made the series and really for me, no one has, she is an important and good housemate to have watched.

[RobynTheELF]

Made it. I hated her at the beginning, but looking back if she had not received the pass to the final(in which case I believe she would have probably been evicted in the 2nd or 3rd eviction), the house would have been completely Boring, and I would have probably given up on this series.

I agree that Helen's loud & is a huge character, but I disagree with people who say her presence drowns out the other HMs. In actual fact I think Helen's presence paved the way for many of the people who were very weak characters at the beginning (some people are just not interesting on their own when they have no one to react to). Many of the people who have now gained support/popularity/become interesting in the house got our attention because of how they have reacted to Helen (whether negatively or positively) - I point to Ashleigh, Christopher.

If Helen was not there I imagine it would have been a very dull series, we would have little to to talk about on this forum besides how fit Winston is.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The favourites are more often than not not the stars of the show, last year was an exception when Dexter and Gina were the favourites but in general just because some housemates are the most popular it doesn't mean they've actually been the stars of the show and brought the most, that's an objective fact that has to be looked at separately

Sure, you might not like what they've brought to the show and some may even say they've ruined it, but it is an objective observation that they are the stars of the show...because they just are.

Sam was the favourite for weeks.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by RobynTheELF

Made it. I hated her at the beginning, but looking back if she had not received the pass to the final(in which case I believe she would have probably been evicted in the 2nd or 3rd eviction), the house would have been completely Boring, and I would have probably given up on this series.

I agree that Helen's loud & is a huge character, but I disagree with people who say her presence drowns out the other HMs. In actual fact I think Helen's presence paved the way for many of the people who were very weak characters at the beginning (some people are just not interesting on their own when they have no one to react to). Many of the people who have now gained support/popularity/become interesting in the house got our attention because of how they have reacted to Helen (whether negatively or positively) - I point to Ashleigh, Christopher.

If Helen was not there I imagine it would have been a very dull series, we would have little to to talk about on this forum besides how fit Winston is.

I find loud and "big characters" boring. I prefer NORMAL people. The whole point of Big Brother was to watch a group of random strangers interact with each other and how they coped being stuck inside a house with no contact with the outside world. Normal people are more interesting because they are 3 dimensional human beings and not cartoon characters

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Sam was the favourite for weeks.

The Dexter and Gina fans combined outweighed his support and he only won as an anti-Ginxster vote and because casuals are only interested in attractive, nice males

That's still only a tiny part of my post though so

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The Dexter and Gina fans combined outweighed his support and he only won as an anti-Ginxster vote and because casuals are only interested in attractive, nice males

That's still only a tiny part of my post though so

But Sam winning and the previous winners has shut your argument down. NO?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Definitely ruined it. I'll elaborate more a bit with a post probably no one will read, but I don't get why people are praising that she's the center of the series/the most memorable one of the series when it's a **** series anyway

[Firewire]

Helen hasn't ruined the series. The producers have.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by abhorson

But Sam winning and the previous winners has shut your argument down. NO?

...well...no? Did you even read my post?

[RockBottom]

Originally Posted by Achilles

I think the series would have been better without her. If you have a "fight night" then there is high drama, but Helen has not provided anything anywhere close to a fight night, she has just been a bitch for most of the time. Constant bitching does not create good drama, it just makes people feel ill, angry and causes hate. The huge row in BB9 was fascinating because it affected the whole house and was very dramatic and included a vile housemate being ejected. Steven and Kimberly was just a pathetic showmance. Caused lots of talking points but that's not I want to see, I want to see natural dynamics and housemates interacting with each other. A showmance is a fake relationship and it lead to fake drama.

Are you talking about Ashleigh

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Jack_

...well...no? Did you even read my post?

Yes, now i have in full. Sorry, my mistake.

Jumped on the bandwagon too soon.

My apologies.

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

To be honest, I think both.

She's both monopolised the show (not so much anymore but certainly in those early weeks) and dominated the highlights for a while. But then she's also saved it when, without her, there wouldn't have been much else of interest to watch.

But I think the thing with Helen is exactly as Jale put it in that other interview from yesterday. It's not right for people (and the housemates) to completely chastise and hate Helen on her eviction for being the way she was, because the other 15 people in there allowed her to do it. Then it gets to the point where you can't blame her when nobody has stepped in. If they had stepped up and had the balls to sit her down and tell her straight then she'd have never grown into the argumentative monster she became.

She wouldn't have felt comfortable in the fact that if she kicked off, everyone else would fall silent and allow her to start shouting at whoever she was mad at.

Yup. Agreed with everything.