[reece(:]

Jordan

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Bullying? Jesus Christ, here we go.. No-one has been bullied in there, He is just paying the game really strong, he has been from the beginning

OK. I should substitute bullying for passive-aggressive. He was going to break every bone in Zach's jaw, and he is ordering how the next evictions should play out (from LFs)

He is quite domineering to the women in the house, he shouts at Victoria for not trusting him when he is lying to her face.

That's enough for me.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Derrick's game is much better than everyone else's but it's definitely not stellar by any means. And while I wouldn't say he's a bully, it's clear that he revels in his role as a police officer and loves to have power over other people and it's not a good look.

[Liam-]

She was a really nice person and easily the nicest one in there.. But she didn't deserve to win

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Jordan

Me too

[Anaesthesia]

Quote from another thread where I think Raph sums Derrick up perfectly:

He told Victoria that she was the only person he spoke game to, and she put all her trust in him. Thus, she also evicted her other best friend Hayden, to support Derrick. Then, last night she found out from Zach that Derrick has been alligned with Zach, Cody, Caleb etc and then Victoria broke down. And then the way Derrick spoke down to Victoria even though he was in the wrong is what made many people turn on him, in my opinion

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

Quote from another thread where I think Raph sums Derrick up perfectly:

He told Victoria that she was the only person he spoke game to, and she put all her trust in him. Thus, she also evicted her other best friend Hayden, to support Derrick. Then, last night she found out from Zach that Derrick has been alligned with Zach, Cody, Caleb etc and then Victoria broke down. And then the way Derrick spoke down to Victoria even though he was in the wrong is what made many people turn on him, in my opinion

Granted, no-one deserves to be spoken down to, but lying and making people believe you and be on your side to support you and do what you want, is all part of the game

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Granted, no-one deserves to be spoken down to, but lying and making people believe you and be on your side to support you and do what you want, is all part of the game

I get that. The cleverness of BBUS is doing it cleanly. Dr Will was the perfect example. Although now it is getting interesting because all of the lies and suckups are being exposed. Derrick could have won in any season bar this imo. Only one coming out clean of anything right now is Donny I think

[Anaesthesia]

And don't make girls cry

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

And don't make girls cry

It's impossible not to make Victoria cry, she cries over everything

[JerseyWins]

Cody's in the driver's seat on his way to a final 3. Not sure if he'd be taken to final 2 or win in the finals though.

Not too sure what's going on with Derrick based on what I've read but I expected things to fall apart for him late in the game based on how he was playing the game. Wasn't expecting anything this soon tho if he gets out in a week or two.


Current Final 3 I'd like & think deserve it:

Cody, Zach, Donny/Victoria (Vic doesn't exactly deserve it in any way tho but she's that HG that people are gonna want to keep around to win against)

Or still Zach, Cody, Derrick

[Macie Lightfoot]

Cody's doing a really good job of flirting with all the girls and building them up as jury votes and then evicting two of them before jury starts

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Cody's doing a really good job of flirting with all the girls and building them up as jury votes and then evicting two of them before jury starts

Haha yeah, he hasn't really thought that one through :P

[Anaesthesia]

And please can Derrick shut up over his crying game where he is trying to say that voting him out will effectively take the food out of his kids mouth. Mirroring Devin at his worst.

[JerseyWins]

Yeah, and potentially ruin his game trying to save them or go after someone else? Besides that, it's clear both felt betrayed by Cody & neither were part of his plan to make it to the end. I think both have said they felt most betrayed by Cody than anyone in the house, specifically remember Amber saying it to Julie on her eviction. So when he'd eventually betray them in a similar way later down the line (if not having to do it in a worse way) then those aren't guaranteed votes by any means for him anyway.

Cody's making the best decisions in the entire house (along with Derrick) but staying even more hidden on peoples' radar than Derrick. I actually even think evicting Nicole would have been the smarter decision on that double eviction where he "messed up." They all overrated Hayden's beastliness in comps and they all have much more to hide from the Christine/Nicole relationship/blow up.

(as of right now it's looking fine for him anyway but still I do think Hayden was better to keep for all of them, less risky & less to hide so things wouldn't have blown up as much as it has since then)

[Anaesthesia]

Agree with you that Nic would have been a smarter eviction over Hayden. But I just don't think they're that smart.

Won't have any time to watch LF, but cannot wait till Weds episode, I'm actually loving how it's all imploding.

[Danny.]

Considering Nicole is probably out this week, my ideal f3 would be Donny, Zach and Victoria (with Vic winning F3 HoH and evicting Zach).

My original ideal f3 have all been evicted already (Brittany, Amber, Hayden).

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Yeah, and potentially ruin his game trying to save them or go after someone else? Besides that, it's clear both felt betrayed by Cody & neither were part of his plan to make it to the end. I think both have said they felt most betrayed by Cody than anyone in the house, specifically remember Amber saying it to Julie on her eviction. So when he'd eventually betray them in a similar way later down the line (if not having to do it in a worse way) then those aren't guaranteed votes by any means for him anyway.

Cody's making the best decisions in the entire house (along with Derrick) but staying even more hidden on peoples' radar than Derrick. I actually even think evicting Nicole would have been the smarter decision on that double eviction where he "messed up." They all overrated Hayden's beastliness in comps and they all have much more to hide from the Christine/Nicole relationship/blow up.

(as of right now it's looking fine for him anyway but still I do think Hayden was better to keep for all of them, less risky & less to hide so things wouldn't have blown up as much as it has since then)

My point is that the only thing he has going for him is his genetics. He flirts with the girls nonstop and whether he realizes it or not, has them locked up as jury votes. Then he helps get two of them evicted before the Jury and apparently left Jocasta a nasty goodbye message. Brittany and Amber are still rooting for him as we speak so his strong relationships with both of them did absolutely nothing for his game.

Cody hasn't made any decisions though. Every week has been dictated by Derrick and Cody just goes along with it whether it helps or hinders his game. Getting rid of Brittany during his HOH week was incredibly stupid, but because Derrick felt threatened by her it happened. Getting rid of Hayden was definitely the right decision because he's much more perceptive than any of them know (he had Frankie's number when no one else did, recognized that Cody and Derick flipped), but if it was up to Cody he would still be here.

[JerseyWins]

Amber was hurting his relationship with Caleb, though and Brittany started to get annoyed with Cody even before he put her up on the block. Both were annoyed at him after being evicted so I'm just saying if he had flirted with them any longer and then turned on them later they'd have reacted to it even worse and wouldn't be guaranteed votes at all. If they said they're still rooting for him after the show then it's probably cause they watched the show and saw he never really had much bad to say about them even in the DR and didn't actually screw them, he just had a bigger plan that didn't include them. By evicting them later on and sending them to the jury house they could have easily been bitter.

You might be right about Hayden in that second paragraph. However, there's good and bad to keeping either one of them. I think Hayden would have 100% went after Frankie and Christine though because he'd have no other choice after the things Nicole was telling him about Christine. There weren't as many dynamics in the relationships between Christine, Hayden & the rest of them as there were with Christine & Nicole. As I said, much more to hide for the Hitmen in particular with Nicole as they were kinda putting the two against each other as well.

I honestly don't think that was a major decision either way, they just made a good decision of getting one of the two out, and it's tough to say which option was truly better even while watching the show.

[Anaesthesia]

JerseyWins,

I would love to see you on BBUS. Please apply!

[JerseyWins]

No way, I'd have probably 0% chance to win. I trust people too easily, too gullible, and I'm probably too honest to do anything on the show. I would be loyal as hell to an alliance though, kinda like Caleb... which could put me in the same situation as Caleb. (not a very good one but maybe still in it pretty late in the game)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Amber was hurting his relationship with Caleb, though and Brittany started to get annoyed with Cody even before he put her up on the block. Both were annoyed at him after being evicted so I'm just saying if he had flirted with them any longer and then turned on them later they'd have reacted to it even worse and wouldn't be guaranteed votes at all. If they said they're still rooting for him after the show then it's probably cause they watched the show and saw he never really had much bad to say about them even in the DR and didn't actually screw them, he just had a bigger plan that didn't include them. By evicting them later on and sending them to the jury house they could have easily been bitter.

It makes his entire game pointless so far though. His only actions that could even be considered game moves are his close relationships with the girls but then he just helps get rid of them before jury anyway, basically rendering all the time he went with Brittany and Amber pointless from a game perspective. Especially with Brittany, like good job getting rid of one of your biggest supporters in your HoH week?

[JerseyWins]

You're right, that was pointless effort of getting close to them but I still personally disagree with that completely cause it doesn't change that he's doing what he needs to do in order to make it to the end in the first place. He could have went after a few others instead but Derrick and the rest wanted these two out as well so there's literally no reason for him to rock the boat for his main plan. He also made it clear himself that he favored other house guests more than them. I think Big Brother is all about getting further more smoothly.

It's not a big deal anyway as he has closer relationships with a good amount of the people left in there (especially during the point in the game where he got rid of Amber & Brittany ; he was extremely close with Nicole and Christine among others).

He's not just getting by on looks and luck.. Like I've said before somewhere else, Derrick's definitely the one pulling the strings in there but Cody's playing a very good sidekick role, who is more liked and less targeted... that strategy could easily outlast the mastermind (Derrick) if things go south for The Hitmen eventually, which is honestly likely with like 8 still left.

I'm not saying Cody's a genius, and he's also not the one masterminding many/any plans, but he's still playing pretty smart and has yet to make a single mistake to put him in a worse situation than he was the week before. Too many other house guests are on roller coaster rides in there.

[LemonJam]

Donny/Victoria/Nicole

Everyone else sucks.

[Raph]

Glad to see you've also joined team Comp Queen V!