[Josy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Gary's not prefect, not by a long chalk. But I've yet to hear him bitch behind someone's back, raise his voice, raise his hand, cut someone's clothes up, ruin food, question the skills that people are famous for (like they all did about his acting skills), jump around and keep people awake/wake them up or piss in the pool like a filthy pig. And yet... he's the one being treated like an outcast.

Their general attitude toward his disbilities seem to be the same as David, who said, "Yes, I know he's deaf, but come on... you sometimes have to say things THREE TIMES!" They're ignorant halfwits, and that's the intelligent ones. Most of them wouldn't attain the dizzy height of halfwit if they had twice the wit they have now.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Livia

Gary's not prefect, not by a long chalk. But I've yet to hear him bitch behind someone's back, raise his voice, raise his hand, cut someone's clothes up, ruin food, question the skills that people are famous for (like they all did about his acting skills), jump around and keep people awake/wake them up or piss in the pool like a filthy pig. And yet... he's the one being treated like an outcast.

Their general attitude toward his disbilities seem to be the same as David, who said, "Yes, I know he's deaf, but come on... you sometimes have to say things THREE TIMES!" They're ignorant halfwits, and that's the intelligent ones. Most of them wouldn't attain the dizzy height of halfwit if they had twice the wit they have now.

Couldn't have put it better myself! Can't believe people criticise Gary for being rude when he doesn't do any of the things you listed above which many other hms are guilty of time and time again and are extreeemely rude. Great post.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

sounds like you're trying to help me in the same way that James tries to help Gary - talking down to people, lecturing without really listening to what the other person is saying. I also support Gary, he's my favourite, but don't see the need to whip out vague websites on random symptoms of brain damage to justify my support.

You should really be able to accept the consequences of a brain injury without being provided with a website link.

[jet]

Gary was talked down to and seemed to be isolated last night. It was uncomfortable viewing.That live feed was just after live nominations though when tensions and feelings are running high and as most of the HM's nominated him, they might have felt uncomfortable themselves interacting with him. It's maybe not a good example of what a normal everyday live feed may be like. If I went by that alone, I would think Gary was being treated badly, no doubt about it.
Then I think of Celeb Apprentice usa, and he drove everyone up the wall on it as well and they hadn't much patience for him either. So that's two shows and 20 + people who are all pretty heartless and uncaring, and by the law of averages that just doesn't compute. So common sense tells me that many of those people have tried in their own way with Gary and he still bugs the hell out of them for whatever reason.
I think he could be manipulative, I think he could be winding people up sometimes. He did it in the USA show, but it was clearer there because they were in situations were they had to work together constantly on campaigns, sales etc. .
So I just don't know what to make of it, but wherever he goes, he causes controversy and it's brilliant viewing. Can anyone imagine what this series would be like without him?

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by jet

Gary was talked down to and seemed to be isolated last night. It was uncomfortable viewing.That live feed was just after live nominations though when tensions and feelings are running high and as most of the HM's nominated him, they might have felt uncomfortable themselves interacting with him. It's maybe not a good example of what a normal everyday live feed may be like. If I went by that alone, I would think Gary was being treated badly, no doubt about it.
Then I think of Celeb Apprentice usa, and he drove everyone up the wall on it as well and they hadn't much patience for him either. So that's two shows and 20 + people who are all pretty heartless and uncaring, and by the law of averages that just doesn't compute. So common sense tells me that many of those people have tried in their own way with Gary and he still bugs the hell out of them for whatever reason.
I think he could be manipulative, I think he could be winding people up sometimes. He did it in the USA show, but it was clearer there because they were in situations were they had to work together constantly on campaigns, sales etc. .
So I just don't know what to make of it, but wherever he goes, he causes controversy and it's brilliant viewing. Can anyone imagine what this series would be like without him?

I didnt see the show but I do know that he was accused of taking something which he didnt do but the accuser really did his nut, oh boy!!! Also Gary must have pushed someone, denied it but then owned up publicy that he did do it.

In the beginning I did think that we shoudnt underestimate him but the more I watch him the more vunerable he seems sometimes to the point of being really naive. Having said this though, we havent seen him complain or point a finger, he just seems to be grateful for his lot and accepts things as they are. It will be interesting to see him out of the house where he will be able to chat to people who will listen.

I personally would love to sit and talk to him without being at all condescending. Would love to hear his tales and to delve deeper into his spirituality theories. I agree the show would be very boring without him.

[chuff me dizzy]

Its not just about bitching, it about joining in ,pulling your weight being considerate of others by keeping yourself clean

[chuff me dizzy]

Let put what happened onto someone else's back ,if James,George was flashing his tackle about you lot would be up in arms, this dirty gett does it and its ok ? no its not

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Livia

Gary's not prefect, not by a long chalk. But I've yet to hear him bitch behind someone's back, raise his voice, raise his hand, cut someone's clothes up, ruin food, question the skills that people are famous for (like they all did about his acting skills), jump around and keep people awake/wake them up or piss in the pool like a filthy pig. And yet... he's the one being treated like an outcast.

Their general attitude toward his disbilities seem to be the same as David, who said, "Yes, I know he's deaf, but come on... you sometimes have to say things THREE TIMES!" They're ignorant halfwits, and that's the intelligent ones. Most of them wouldn't attain the dizzy height of halfwit if they had twice the wit they have now.

Totally totally true.

Neither does Gary feel the need to tell HMs "i'm trying to educate you.. again!" like James said to him the other night.

In fact i don't think i've heard Gary say one bad word about the others, in the diary room or otherwise. Pretty amazing considering.

[warrenhill]

Its bullying and of the lowest form.....


I cant believe C5 are letting this go .....

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its not just about bitching, it about joining in ,pulling your weight being considerate of others by keeping yourself clean

But Gary has an acquired brain injury, the symptoms of which include not being considerate and not being motivated and not looking after yourself hygiene wise.

You could argue that he shouldn't be there with such a disability but all it would take is a bit of consideration from the vile bully gang.

[smileymummy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

They ALL say Gary is the problem and they are living with him

Wheres carl pilkington when hes doing that dance on you post? looks fun! lol

[HBB1508]

I read this thread yesterday and couldn't comment as I hadn't seen the live feed - I watched it last night and am really not sure what all the furore is about really. Yes James had words but he is allowed to air how he feels as much as any of them to another HM - the way he talks to Gary could be taken as condescending but I think he is talking to him as if he thinks that Gary lip reads - that's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how it comes across to me. I would agree with James that Gary thinks that as he is a big star people should stop talking and engage him.

Claire and Dee both spoke to him when he went into the garden so I don't see him being blanked there at all.

It was only in the kitchen that he appeared to be socially awkward following people around and just hanging out and that is probably down to him not being able to hear when there are so many voices in the room.

I admire Gary for his acting and I think he's a great housemate but I'm not looking through rose tinted glasses.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

I read this thread yesterday and couldn't comment as I hadn't seen the live feed - I watched it last night and am really not sure what all the furore is about really. Yes James had words but he is allowed to air how he feels as much as any of them to another HM - the way he talks to Gary could be taken as condescending but I think he is talking to him as if he thinks that Gary lip reads - that's my opinion and I could be wrong but it's how it comes across to me. I would agree with James that Gary thinks that as he is a big star people should stop talking and engage him.

Claire and Dee both spoke to him when he went into the garden so I don't see him being blanked there at all.

It was only in the kitchen that he appeared to be socially awkward following people around and just hanging out and that is probably down to him not being able to hear when there are so many voices in the room.

I admire Gary for his acting and I think he's a great housemate but I'm not looking through rose tinted glasses.

For me personally, it upset me how on three occasions hms were like sniggering/isolating/bitching about him. When he left James and Stephanie after Stephanie was rude to Gary about hanging around, they were bitching about him. He went and sat talking to Dee and Claire outside, and then when Dee entered the living room she told the whole room Gary had "cornered her" which was just a lie to make him look bad. Then at the end we see him talk to George about his hearing difficulties and he brushed him off with a comment about sign language and walked away where Gary was sat alone. Its becoming like theyre constantly telling Gary what his faults are, talking behind his back, or just ignoring him. So unpleasant to watch.

[HBB1508]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

For me personally, it upset me how on three occasions hms were like sniggering/isolating/bitching about him. When he left james and Stephanie after Stephanie was rude to Gary about hanging around, they were bitching about him. He went and sat talking to Dee and Claire outside, and then when Dee emtered the living room she told the whole room Gary had "cornered her" which was jusy ablie to make him look bad. Then at the end we see him talk to george about his hearing difficulties and he brushed him off with a comment about sign language and walked away where gary was sat alone. Its becoming like theyre constantly telling Gaey was hos faults are, talking behind his back, or just ignoring him. So unpleasant to watch. t

Fair enough, but for me they are all earning a lot of money to be there and they are all playing the game. They all bitch about each other to some extent and are doing themselves no favours with their behaviour. Let them crack on and shoot themselves in the foot. I'm sure there is a lot in the editing that we don't see which is why so many of the HM's have problems with Gary - I'm hoping it will be shown at some point so the voters can then make their own minds up.

[CaudleHalbard]

I think BB is very carefully editing the highlights so as not to show the true picture of what it is like to live with Gary.

I have a feeling if we saw a more accurate representation, he would be bottom of the popularity list and not top.

I suspect he is appalling rude and has hygiene issues. And that is why he got 8 noms.

The housemates probably feel more sympathy for James who in his own bumbling incompetent way is attempting to get Gary to change. A fruitless exercise but there it is.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by HBB1508

Fair enough, but for me they are all earning a lot of money to be there and they are all playing the game. They all bitch about each other to some extent and are doing themselves no favours with their behaviour. Let them crack on and shoot themselves in the foot. I'm sure there is a lot in the editing that we don't see which is why so many of the HM's have problems with Gary - I'm hoping it will be shown at some point so the voters can then make their own minds up.

I see what you mean but there are ways of playing the game without constantly "picking on" one person. On the live feed it was almost as if it was edited to show us how much people dislike Gary cause it was nearly constantly about him, yet we didn't see him do anything wrong.

I'm not claiming Gary never does anything wrong, of course he does, but the way he constantly has it thrown at him by some housemates just seems disproportionate to what he has done.

I was suspicious about the edit too until the live feed. Gary waited patiently while James and Stephanie spoke to Audley, but they make out like Gary aaaalways interrupts conversations. James and Stephanie had a right old laugh at the fact that when Stephanie shouted James over (when James and Gary were leaving the room together) Gary stayed behind too. I really don't see what's so crazy about that, I'd hang behind too. Dee lied about Gary to sort of demonise him to the rest of the group - he hadn't cornered them, he went to speak to them then Dee brought up the fact that noms are brutal and she was mad that he was looking at her (wtf?). Just seems like on all these occasions we see examples of Gary doing nothing wrong but people still sniggering about him.

Just to repeat, I acknowledge that Gary isn't perfect. It just seemed from the live feed that no matter what he does they're p**sed off at him. It's as if they enjoy bitching about him to each other way too much.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah the live feed showed that they are horrible to him to an even worse extent than what the highlights show. It's disgusting.

Even if you do have a problem with someone you don't completely outcast them, refuse to speak to them at all, completely make them feel that they have no one in there they can speak to.

Dee stuck out for me the most last night, scurrying into the house and telling the others she was 'cornered by him' that's a blatant lie and we saw it, Gary started a conversation with her and that's it.

They disgust me.

They disgust me too!

What a vile bunch of human excrement! Not a decent or original thinking person in the house. All of them ganging up on Gary and treating I'm in the most appalling manner continually. It must very very difficult for Gary to be humiliated and made to feel disgusting every waking moment.

Big Brother should intervene more and punish the perpetrators on the spot.

They all see Gary as a threat to their own survival. Gary's takes their vile treatment like a man with great humility.

Non of these two bit jumped up supposed celebrities have a history as glittering as Gary's. They must be very stupid if they think cruelly tearing down another celebrity advances their own status or job prospects. I hope all of them find their work dries up after how they have behaved individually and as a group.

Audley's honours should be taken from him for his bigoted behavior towards Kellie and his disrespectful and patronising behaviour towards Gary.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Angelika

They disgust me too!

What a vile bunch of human excrement! Not a decent or original thinking person in the house. All of them ganging up on Gary and treating I'm in the most appalling manner continually. It must very very difficult for Gary to be humiliated and made to feel disgusting every waking moment.

Big Brother should intervene more and punish the perpetrators on the spot.

They all see Gary as a threat to their own survival. Gary's takes their vile treatment like a man with great humility.

Non of these two bit jumped up supposed celebrities have a history as glittering as Gary's. They must be very stupid if they think cruelly tearing down another celebrity advances their own status or job prospects. I hope all of them find their work dries up after how they have behaved individually and as a group.

Audley's honours should be taken from him for his bigoted behavior towards Kellie and his disrespectful and patronising behaviour towards Gary.

I sort of understand the majority of your post, because you're on the 'bullying' patrol bandwagon so fair enough..
but the bit in bold has to be one of the most ridiculous things i have seen on here in a long time, I'm not actually sure whether or not to believe that you mean it, but if you do then it is so incorrect it's almost comical.

[smileymummy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I think BB is very carefully editing the highlights so as not to show the true picture of what it is like to live with Gary.

I have a feeling if we saw a more accurate representation, he would be bottom of the popularity list and not top.

I suspect he is appalling rude and has hygiene issues. And that is why he got 8 noms.

The housemates probably feel more sympathy for James who in his own bumbling incompetent way is attempting to get Gary to change. A fruitless exercise but there it is.

I suspect your very right,ever looked into his past?

[lostalex]

Why are the Americans always targeted by BB editors?

[smileymummy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Why are the Americans always targeted by BB editors?

garys not being targetted,he being made to look like a victim,and i am not 100% sure but i think its all been edited to look like that!