[Yoshi888]

Do you think it was going a bit far to prove a point saying to Audley how he is black and how would he like it if she did not go in the bath for those reasons?

I mean yes it was an example and she was upset about what he said but hardly the same thing after all the slavery and abuse black people have had for 1000's of years.

[Josy]

No she was using it as an example to explain what she meant. Nothing more.

[Yoshi888]

Originally Posted by Josy

No she was using it as an example to explain what she meant. Nothing more.

Yes I get that but was it insensitive and in bad taste not just to Audley but to the black community.

[jessicadanielle]

Nah I didn't think so, and Audley didn't seem to think so either; when he was speaking to Dee, it seemed like Kellie's comment about him being black made him realise why she was upset about the whole thing and made him feel more apologetic.

[Jords]

No it was a comparison however relevant or not.

[King Sing]

Originally Posted by Yoshi888

Yes I get that but was it insensitive and in bad taste not just to Audley but to the black community.

****, you are racist for suggesting it.

I really hope this is a troll and not how people actually think.

[puzzled]

No.

[Rob!]

I was frankly delighted she was able to use such an example without getting dragged to the diary room.

[Pincho Paxton]

It was an example, slightly off kilter.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by RobInnes

I was frankly delighted she was able to use such an example without getting dragged to the diary room.

Even if she was being racist, which she wasn't, would they even pull her up on it? she does seem to be BB's golden child at the minute, they wouldn't want her accusing them of being Transphobic as well

[delta]

I think she was- it's ingrained in this country,

Being Black, Brown, Yellow, Red, White isn't a choice.


Where as changing your gender, no matter how you feel about it is . She lived as Frank and sired several kids etc , 3 wives, and milked the boxing world etc for 47 years- a hard one to make- but still a choice.


It was institutionalised racism- back handed and crass. You could argue that he didn't mean it as that but wrap it up as you want to compare someone with different colour skin who don't have the option to change it even if they could to his plight was wrong and I also have a sneaking feeling that Kellie aka Frank knew exactly what he was doing.

I notice the gay community have also latched onto that saying, along with " Well you wouldn't say that to a disabled person" Now are you born gay or do you become gay, I don't know? Are some born gay and some make a decision to go down that route?

It's like they want to gain special status for being discriminated against and are sneaking under the umbrella of groups of people, which include women, people of all different races, disabled people.

I draw a line, a distinction between someone who can make a choice as to what they become against someone who cannot. A woman is a woman and cannot change, a Black man is a Black man and likewise, same with a Yellow Man etc Same with a Disabled person. But there are a large section of the gay community where it is a choice and some of them flip back and forth.


Very quick to play the victim card.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by delta

I think she was- it's ingrained in this country,

Being Black, Brown, Yellow, Red, White isn't a choice.


Where as changing your gender, no matter how you feel about it is . She lived as Frank and sired several kids etc , 3 wives, and milked the boxing world etc for 47 years- a hard one to make- but still a choice.


It was institutionalised racism- back handed and crass. You could argue that he didn't mean it as that but wrap it up as you want to compare someone with different colour skin who don't have the option to change it even if they could to his plight was wrong and I also have a sneaking feeling that Kellie aka Frank knew exactly what he was doing.

I notice the gay community have also latched onto that saying, along with " Well you wouldn't say that to a disabled person" Now are you born gay or do you become gay, I don't know? Are some born gay and some make a decision to go down that route?

It's like they want to gain special status for being discriminated against and are sneaking under the umbrella of groups of people, which include women, people of all different races, disabled people.

I draw a line, a distinction between someone who can make a choice as to what they become against someone who cannot. A woman is a woman and cannot change, a Black man is a Black man and likewise, same with a Yellow Man etc Same with a Disabled person. But there are a large section of the gay community where it is a choice and some of them flip back and forth.


Very quick to play the victim card.

Being gay is never a choice, people can decide to 'experiment' so to speak, with their sexuality, but your base sexuality is not a choice so.. that's wrong for a start
But apart from that.. i don't really get the point you're trying to make about Kellie apart from that she plays the victim card, which i agree with.

[JoshBB]

Seriously? SERIOUSLY?! It was an example, geez..



no i'm kidding don't take offense to the gif

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by delta

I think she was- it's ingrained in this country,

Being Black, Brown, Yellow, Red, White isn't a choice.


Where as changing your gender, no matter how you feel about it is . She lived as Frank and sired several kids etc , 3 wives, and milked the boxing world etc for 47 years- a hard one to make- but still a choice.


It was institutionalised racism- back handed and crass. You could argue that he didn't mean it as that but wrap it up as you want to compare someone with different colour skin who don't have the option to change it even if they could to his plight was wrong and I also have a sneaking feeling that Kellie aka Frank knew exactly what he was doing.

I notice the gay community have also latched onto that saying, along with " Well you wouldn't say that to a disabled person" Now are you born gay or do you become gay, I don't know? Are some born gay and some make a decision to go down that route?

It's like they want to gain special status for being discriminated against and are sneaking under the umbrella of groups of people, which include women, people of all different races, disabled people.

I draw a line, a distinction between someone who can make a choice as to what they become against someone who cannot. A woman is a woman and cannot change, a Black man is a Black man and likewise, same with a Yellow Man etc Same with a Disabled person. But there are a large section of the gay community where it is a choice and some of them flip back and forth.


Very quick to play the victim card.

Are you saying Kellie is part of the gay community? She may well be but this is about transphobia not homophobia.

I agree that Audley cannot choose his skin colour but Kellie can choose to be transgender (kind of) so the example doesn't add up. But I don't think she meant it in a racist way, she just used a bad example.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Are you saying Kellie is part of the gay community? She may well be but this is about transphobia not homophobia.

I agree that Audley cannot choose his skin colour but Kellie can choose to be transgender (kind of) so the example doesn't add up. But I don't think she meant it in a racist way, she just used a bad example.

She can choose to express it, but she cannot physically change her gender identity.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She can choose to express it, but she cannot physically change her gender identity.

Yeah that's right, I worded it wrong sorry.

[delta]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Being gay is never a choice, people can decide to 'experiment' so to speak, with their sexuality, but your base sexuality is not a choice so.. that's wrong for a start
But apart from that.. i don't really get the point you're trying to make about Kellie apart from that she plays the victim card, which i agree with.

I don't know, I asked the question.

Is everyone that is gay - 100% gay and non of them actually think sod it I will flip over to the other side?


If the latter do exist then it is mental choice they have made.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by delta

I don't know, I asked the question.

Is everyone that is gay - 100% gay and non of them actually think sod it I will flip over to the other side?


If the latter do exist then it is mental choice they have made.

Some might think it, hence why i said some experiment with it, but a person can't change their sexuality on a whim no.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by delta

I don't know, I asked the question.

Is everyone that is gay - 100% gay and non of them actually think sod it I will flip over to the other side?


If the latter do exist then it is mental choice they have made.

The latter is not gay in that scenario, they would be bisexual to make that choice, even though they would have partial attraction to the other side still.

[delta]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Are you saying Kellie is part of the gay community? She may well be but this is about transphobia not homophobia.

I agree that Audley cannot choose his skin colour but Kellie can choose to be transgender (kind of) so the example doesn't add up. But I don't think she meant it in a racist way, she just used a bad example.

I accept that it was a bad choice of wording from a not very erudite individual and that she possibly didn't mean it in a racist way, but I wouldn't be too sure of it knowing which neck of the woods he comes from. Racism is still alive and present under the surface. And as you pick up on my point there is a dichotomy in his example.

You also have to understand the emnity between the two, mostly from Frank/Kellies end, Audley was just the recipient of some extremely nasty actions, anyway it was savage, they wanted to take him down and would have seriously stopped at nothing to achieve their goal. So I wouldn't rule anything out. I can't see changing gender will change his mind set.


No I am not trying to say that Kellie is gay, I was just widening the debate.


Mebbez we've gone far enough :-)

[delta]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

The latter is not gay in that scenario, they would be bisexual to make that choice, even though they would have partial attraction to the other side still.

Surely someone who is bisexual is gay? I would have thought that and it's a choice they have made, essentially ( their parlance) having your cake and eating it.


Sensitive subject, let's get back to hating James Jordan

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by delta

Surely someone who is bisexual is gay? I would have thought that and it's a choice they have made, essentially ( their parlance) having your cake and eating it.


Sensitive subject, let's get back to hating James Jordan

No if someone is bisexual then they are not gay.. they're bisexual and being so still isn't a choice, it's not about greed

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by delta

Surely someone who is bisexual is gay? I would have thought that and it's a choice they have made, essentially ( their parlance) having your cake and eating it.


Sensitive subject, let's get back to hating James Jordan

One last question. Did you choose to be straight?

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by delta

I accept that it was a bad choice of wording from a not very erudite individual and that she possibly didn't mean it in a racist way, but I wouldn't be too sure of it knowing which neck of the woods he comes from. Racism is still alive and present under the surface. And as you pick up on my point there is a dichotomy in his example.

You also have to understand the emnity between the two, mostly from Frank/Kellies end, Audley was just the recipient of some extremely nasty actions, anyway it was savage, they wanted to take him down and would have seriously stopped at nothing to achieve their goal. So I wouldn't rule anything out. I can't see changing gender will change his mind set.


No I am not trying to say that Kellie is gay, I was just widening the debate.


Mebbez we've gone far enough :-)

Well you're much more erudite than me, as I had to google define erudite and enmity when reading your post

Maybe I should spend more time studying than reading TiBB...

[Northern Monkey]

No,I don't think it was racist,Just an extremely poor comparison.The two are not comparable in the slightest.