[Mystic Mock]

When it looks like the female audience doesn't like another female contestant? I'm basing this off a post from The Sausage Dude who claims that Chloe only got evicted due to her looks.

Poll will be opening shortly.

[Niamh.]

absolutely and Mock you're usually the first one to shout Jealousy

[Kazanne]

I think that is because a lot of the glamour type girls are self obsessed and shallow,not so much to do with looks I feel,more on personality or lack of.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by rionablue

ABSOLUTELY without a shadow of a doubt. A pretty girl has never won big brother. I would NOT consider Sophie Reed pretty (before anyone says that ) Often pretty girls are out first. Some of the most vicious Chloe and Cami haters in here are female. That's not saying that some of the guys don't like them but there is definitely a pattern.

Kate Lawler was pretty.

Plus using Cami and Chloe are a bad example, they are nasty people. Chloe was out because she was Cami's sheep, not because females were jealous of her (non) looks).

[Angelika]

Cami-li and Chloë - both vicious and nasty.

I'm hoping Cami & Katie H are out next, nothing to do with their looks but the way they behave towards other women.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rionablue

ABSOLUTELY without a shadow of a doubt. A pretty girl has never won big brother. I would NOT consider Sophie Reed pretty (before anyone says that ) Often pretty girls are out first. Some of the most vicious Chloe and Cami haters in here are female. That's not saying that some of the guys don't like them but there is definitely a pattern.

are you kidding me, Sophie was very pretty, as was kate Lawler, Rachel Rice, Chantel, not to mention the two finalists from last year Helen and Ashleigh who was favourite for alot of the series

Personally I think it's pretty belittling towards women to say that we're that idiotic that we can't judge another female on her personality if she's pretty and has nice tits.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i am waiting for The Truth to post and will use his wisdom to steer my opinion

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rionablue

We have to agree to disagree on this one Niamh. Im not tarring all women posters with the same brush but I think Chloe and Cami Li are getting a raw deal in here and some posters have called them all sorts of names because of what they do on the outside which I think is unfair. If any of the two of them were hopping into bed and having sex in there they would be fair game. Sure, both of them have nasty streaks but Cami is very popular in the house except for Perez and his little sidekick ALICIA. She is pretty loyal to her little group of friends in there and when it comes to bitching there are at least six contestants who have bitched even more than she has. I thought I would hate her but I like her

Cami and Chloe are not getting a "raw deal" they're reaping what they sow. they're not very nice people, that's why they're not liked. The fact that they're pretty has **** all to do with it.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by rionablue

We have to agree to disagree on this one Niamh. Im not tarring all women posters with the same brush but I think Chloe and Cami Li are getting a raw deal in here and some posters have called them all sorts of names because of what they do on the outside which I think is unfair. If any of the two of them were hopping into bed and having sex in there they would be fair game. Sure, both of them have nasty streaks but Cami is very popular in the house except for Perez and his little sidekick ALICIA. She is pretty loyal to her little group of friends in there and when it comes to bitching there are at least six contestants who have bitched even more than she has. I thought I would hate her but I like her

I think it's more down to the things Cami says, like when she implied to Alicia that her family don't love her. There is being bitchy and then there is crossing the line, and things like that are spiteful.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rionablue

ABSOLUTELY without a shadow of a doubt. A pretty girl has never won big brother. I would NOT consider Sophie Reed pretty (before anyone says that ) Often pretty girls are out first. Some of the most vicious Chloe and Cami haters in here are female. That's not saying that some of the guys don't like them but there is definitely a pattern.

Are you aware of forum rules with regard to discussing forum members or do they not apply to you?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am waiting for The Truth to post and will use his wisdom to steer my opinion

[DemolitionRed]

I only started watching this series because I thought Cami li was so hot. I'm bi btw but I'm the sort of woman my husband can turn to and ask, "wow that woman over their is really stunning, what do you think?"

What I've noticed is, as her bitchy side came out more and more, the uglier she became, not only in character but in the looks department too. Try as I might, all I now see is a dwarf type character who has too much hair on her face...sorry!

Chloe is a bit of a stunner, especially her body. Face a little on the hard side but she looks better without make-up.

Don't normally go for older women but I think Nadia is sexy in a mature sort of way. Love her voice and those piercing dark eyes but she looks a lot better in make-up than without it.

Always thought Patsy was a good looking women and I still do. Patsy has a beautiful soul which makes her face glow and her eyes sparkle. Just wish she could relax a little more.

Never thought Price was particularly good looking but that's changing. Again, the less make-up she wears the better she looks.

Alisia has done a lot to ruin her looks but every so often you get a glimpse of how pretty she is. Looks much better when she's done her face.

Michelle looks hard with make-up on and old with make-up off.

Hopkins missed out in the body and looks department. No matter what she does she's still ugly.

ED for spelling.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Cami and Chloe are not getting a "raw deal" they're reaping what they sow. they're not very nice people, that's why they're not liked. The fact that they're pretty has **** all to do with it.

Fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion. But on the grand scale of things Cami is far from the worst in there in my opinion. And the comments about whoring and being a slut are to do WITH what they do for a living and as far as I am concerned everyone is entitled to earn a living by whatever means they chose once it is legal and doesn't hurt anyone.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Are you aware of forum rules with regard to discussing forum members or do they not apply to you?

I am generalising and not naming any forum member I am fully aware of the rules. I have heard others generalise also. But thanks

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rionablue

Fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion. But on the grand scale of things Cami is far from the worst in there in my opinion. And the comments about whoring and being a slut are to do WITH what they do for a living and as far as I am concerned everyone is entitled to earn a living by whatever means they chose once it is legal and doesn't hurt anyone.

No i don't think Cami is the worst in there but she is one of the "mean girls" imo

Your second point about being a ***** and a slut, I agree these are disgusting things to say about anyone but that's a different topic altogether (I despise those terms btw) but i have seen both men and women on here use those terms i have to say

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rionablue

I am generalising and not naming any forum member I am fully aware of the rules. I have heard others generalise also. But thanks

Are you fully aware of this one

Do not insult fans / supporters of housemates. For instance stereotyping fans eg. 'All Bob's fans are stupid / boring / shallow' might be taken as general insults towards fans of Bob and cause arguments.

[Liam-]

Poor Bob

[Niamh.]

alright you Cherie It's kind of the thread topic though

And leave poor Bob out of this

[Pincho Paxton]

I've read the forums, and not come across the word jealousy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I've read the forums, and not come across the word jealousy.

tbf It hasn't been used as much this time round

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Poor Bob

Originally Posted by Niamh.

alright you Cherie It's kind of the thread topic though

And leave poor Bob out of this

that is "bobist"

[InOne]

It's no surprise women would be jealous of Patsy. She really is quite wonderful.

[Pink Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

are you kidding me, Sophie was very pretty, as was kate Lawler, Rachel Rice, Chantel, not to mention the two finalists from last year Helen and Ashleigh who was favourite for alot of the series

Personally I think it's pretty belittling towards women to say that we're that idiotic that we can't judge another female on her personality if she's pretty and has nice tits.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Cami and Chloe are not getting a "raw deal" they're reaping what they sow. they're not very nice people, that's why they're not liked. The fact that they're pretty has **** all to do with it.

I agree.
(except I didn't actually mind Chloe, she was very fiery but I don't remember her actually saying any of the nasty thick, 1 brain cell etc. comments, her main beef seemed to have been with Perez because he wound her up so much, although I could be mistaken about that.)

I don't like Cami and it's nothing to do with "jealousy". I don't like her because she just annoys my ****e.

I hate that she must be so insecure about her own intelligence that when she gets into an argument she has to start yapping "bitch I'm a college educated girl" *snappy fingers* , nothing about her demeanour would even hint at the fact of her being very well educated or highly intelligent despite whatever qualifications she may have. Even if she did study for a bit before she dropped out, so fcuking what?! That doesn't give her any right to think she's better or that her opinion is more valid than others when it just comes down to general observations. She thinks its ok to say that NOBODY would want anything to do with Alicia unless they were manipulating her for some reason, but yet when Alicia suggests that she believes Cami was just being manipulated by Katie H (her opinion, doesn't matter which one of them is correct) Cami goes MENTAL calling her a thick bitch and saying that her family don't love her. (I know she apologised the next day but most likely only because she realised how daft she looked by first denying she mentioned family when it was all obviously on camera.)

The way she takes such mean-spirited amusement from mocking Alicia calling her a velociraptor with Calum behind her back, the way she went on and on about Alicia supposedly lying to her about her "fake ass" and venomously spitting out her words calling her a "lying bitch" as if it was some huge big deal.

Her reaction to Perez - I agree she had a valid reason to be annoyed, but her reaction was so over the top and "diva" like that it just seemed completely put on to me. We got to hear more of the "college educated" crap again before she then went on to tell us how much she likes being penetrated by dick.
I and many others are well educated women too, nobody I know feels the need to start yelling it at people in an argument though! It's just so cringey and stupid to see.

The argument with Kav and Keith, I'll watch it again to be certain she didn't later change, but I know when it was starting to kick of in the bedroom, Keith was looking very taken aback and a bit upset, Nadia was trying to get Kav to just go to bed, but when the camera shot to Cami she was sitting upright in the bed watching the argument with a huge smile plastered across her face. She looked GLEEFUL about this row!

She seems to just revel in times when nasty comments are being made or a confrontation is taking place.

Also she makes out she like she's some strong passionate woman, but seems weak to me. She has her little fits where she yaps like some annoying little pup and snaps her fingers a bit, but then the rest of the time I think she tries to act "cute" and almost childlike with people she wants to like her. I remember her telling Calum that he would be the type of guy who would drive her crazy and have her asking "why isn't he calling me" and basically leave her waiting by the phone like a lemon. I think this comes across as her acting all girly and sweet only because she might think Calum likes that, why else would you tell a guy that? Katie and Michelle's conversation would also allude to the fact that she comes across childlike with them. Doesn't come across as a strong woman to me anyways which is completely fine if she didn't pretend like she was some super diva when she has a hissy fit. I also found her very lickarsey towards Price at first.

I've supported housemates in the past who I would straight up admit could be right bitches at times, but they usually seemed genuinely sorry or else at other times would show other endearing sides to their character that I liked. I'm just not seeing that with Cami really.

She just seems to have a very nasty spirit and to take genuine enjoyment from making fun of others. I think she only acts "sweet" and/or childlike with people she would lose a row with.

These are the reasons I don't like her.
I didn't mind Chloe who was much better looking than her.
In the past I've liked other much more attractive female housemates also, so it would annoy me if somebody suggested the only reason I didn't like Cami was "jealousy" and completely agree with you Niamh that it is usually an idiotic comment that is just thrown out there, and also agree with you that it is belittling to women to suggest that it is the only reason they might not like an attractive female.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

absolutely and Mock you're usually the first one to shout Jealousy

[Niamh.]

Great post Peggy, yeah Chloe wasn't as bad as Cami but she joined in with all that nastiness so I guess it's more a case of guilt by association there for me