[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Jamesy

Anyone could make a similar thread listing every bad thing Perez has done outside the house...

Correct, they could, and it's reasonable if someone negatively judges him for it, just like it is with Katie Hopkins.

[The Penguin]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Ok, I am overweight and disabled.

I support Katie Hopkins as I realise she is not all bad as accused by some.

I feel, I could have a laugh with Katie H, many disabled people have good sense of humour and can see her as just a gobby columnist.

She doesn't offend me as I am a genuine disabled person, she has goes at those cheating the system and those who just simply overeat.

Because I cannot get about, therefore everything I eat, I cannot work off and my medication also has awful side effects.

I don't see Katie having goes as anything more than her view of saying it like it is for those who won't work or overeat or collect benefits which are not genuine claims.

So, don't speak for me, those who call her horrendous names, you do not represent me at all. There are others who she may have upset but it is up to them to say so, no one else..

To be fair this thread wasn't about anything she has said about fat or disabled people. It was about her mocking a dying woman by referring her as an "Ebola bomb".
And someone doesn't have to be a target of abuse to be upset by it. It's called empathy.

[MrWong]

She made a joke, as you said.

You either find it funny or you don't.

Personally I didn't find it funny but I can still like her as a housemate.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by lily.

Good for you Poppsy. I totally agree with you. I'm not disabled, but I do hate the benefit cheats who take money from the system when there is eff-all wrong with them. That money could be better spent on people who are genuinely disabled and need funds spent to adapt housing etc. Where I live there's a 'won't work' culture and yet they all have foreign holidays and brand new 'motability' cars. It sickens me. I was raised to work for things you want, and only to claim if you are in genuine need. So yeah, if that's the people KH has been slagging off, then I agree with her.

As to being overweight... I''m a fatty.. and it's because I eat junk food, and don't exercise enough. When I eat right, and exercise regularly, I lose weight, so she might be blunt, but she's right.. I'm fat for no other reason than my own lifestyle choices, so how can I get offended for that. It's like getting offended for being called loud when you are loud.. (which I also am... fat, loud and proud... got a lot goin for me here... haha)

Hooray for us, Yes, she is right in some cases, even I won't say all.

She is gobby, feisty, stubborn and has a huge persona and I like her.

She has kept me entertained by her time in the house and no one is going to use my disablement by talking for me.

My daughter is also disabled but she has a good life and can and will speak up for herself.

I don't want or need the PC Brigade jumping on my case by attacking KH as they are.

[Robodog]

Yet another thread trying oh-so-desperately to get people to 'hate' KH, or make them 'feel bad' for liking her.

In response to the OP :

Frankie Boyle has made MUCH more cutting edge jokes than that - and he's brilliant !!

Long Live The Right To Make Offensive Jokes !

If they misfire and aren't that funny (like KH's ebola joke) then so what? Just move on.

Plenty of unfunny jokes out there, offensive ones and inoffensive ones.

Plenty of funny ones too, some offensive, some inoffensive.

Thank God we live in a country where we can make cutting edge jokes. Anyone who doesn't like it, i suggest they move to a country where freedom of expression is seriously repressed, and see how they like it there.

[Jack The Cat]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yet another thread trying oh-so-desperately to get people to 'hate' KH, or make them 'feel bad' for liking her.

In response to the OP :

Frankie Boyle has made MUCH more cutting edge jokes than that - and he's brilliant !!

Long Live The Right To Make Offensive Jokes !

If they misfire and aren't that funny (like KH's ebola joke) then so what? Just move on.

Plenty of unfunny jokes out there, offensive ones and inoffensive ones.

Plenty of funny ones too, some offensive, some inoffensive.

Thank God we live in a country where we can make cutting edge jokes. Anyone who doesn't like it, i suggest they move to a country where freedom of expression is seriously repressed, and see how they like it there.

Good post.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by The Penguin

To be fair this thread wasn't about anything she has said about fat or disabled people. It was about her mocking a dying woman by referring her as an "Ebola bomb".
And someone doesn't have to be a target of abuse to be upset by it. It's called empathy.

Maybe not, in this thread but we seem to be lumped in by some with all the other groups KH has commented on.

Empathy is fine as long as it is just that and not ignoring that some might be disabled but we have a tongue in our heads and can and will put our point of view across and don't want someone who has little idea, lumping us all together to attack KH.

[tormented mind]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Maybe not, in this thread but we seem to be lumped in by some with all the other groups KH has commented on.

Empathy is fine as long as it is just that and not ignoring that some might be disabled but we have a tongue in our heads and can and will put our point of view across and don't want someone who has little idea, lumping us all together to attack KH.

But what about KH lumping you altogether to attack the scroungers, that's fine yeah?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

Good post.

Oh, I like that Liam Gallagher quote

And just think he was married to Peace and Love Patsy.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by tormented mind

But what about KH lumping you altogether to attack the scroungers, that's fine yeah?

There you go, see what I mean? Perfect example of using us to attack KH again.

KH can attack scroungers all she likes, thank you, full stop. (Keith)

[tormented mind]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

There you go, see what I mean? Perfect example of using us to attack KH again.

KH can attack scroungers all she likes, thank you, full stop. (Keith)

Don't get above your station, I was not using you to attack KH.

I was only repeating what she had said herself when she said MOST disability allowance receivers would be able to climb to the top of a ladder, it is her that uses people by putting everyone in the same bracket to have a go at the minority, not me.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Jack The Cat

Good post.

Cheers Jack.

BTW I really enjoyed your long post the other day with the Salman Rushdie quotes. That was excellent reading. Took being on the forum to a whole new level. Just thought i'd mention it now, as i was unable to post at the time.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by tormented mind

Don't get above your station, I was not using you to attack KH.

I was only repeating what she had said herself when she said MOST disability allowance receivers would be able to climb to the top of a ladder, it is her that uses people by putting everyone in the same bracket to have a go at the minority, not me.

Please don't tell me to get above my station as it is rude and not up to you.

Apart from that, I have actually seen a neighbour on DA do exactly that putting up his Christmas lights, so personally I have seen what she wrote with my own eyes. It DOES happen.

[The Penguin]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Maybe not, in this thread but we seem to be lumped in by some with all the other groups KH has commented on.

Empathy is fine as long as it is just that and not ignoring that some might be disabled but we have a tongue in our heads and can and will put our point of view across and don't want someone who has little idea, lumping us all together to attack KH.

Many people in a targeted group would be quite upset if the only people who complained about someone's comments were people from that group.
They would feel like the rest of society doesn't care about them.

Maybe you didn't but I'm sure many overweight and disabled people welcomed criticism of Katie Hopkins from people who weren't directly targeted by those comments.

Anyway this thread is about her more serious comments mocking a dying woman.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Please don't tell me to get above my station as it is rude and not up to you.

Apart from that, I have actually seen a neighbour on DA do exactly that putting up his Christmas lights, so personally I have seen what she wrote with my own eyes. It DOES happen.

Of course it does , and I wonder why people protest too much, nail on the head perhaps?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Penguin

Many people in a targeted group would be quite upset if the only people who complained about someone's comments were people from that group.
They would feel like the rest of society doesn't care about them.

Maybe you didn't but I'm sure many overweight and disabled people welcomed criticism of Katie Hopkins from people who weren't directly targeted by those comments.

Anyway this thread is about her more serious comments mocking a dying woman.

She didn't mock a dying woman ,it was Perez who wished death on someone

[tormented mind]

She mocked the Scottish nurse who was dying from ebola kezzane, you can NOT say she didn't. Well you probably can but I'm sure you won't be meaning it.

[Denver]

This has feck all to do with her time in the house imo

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by tormented mind

I can tell you what I bloody like, it's up to you to do it or not, but I can and will tell you.

You are being offensive towards another poster, not clever

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by The Penguin

Many people in a targeted group would be quite upset if the only people who complained about someone's comments were people from that group.
They would feel like the rest of society doesn't care about them.

Maybe you didn't but I'm sure many overweight and disabled people welcomed criticism of Katie Hopkins from people who weren't directly targeted by those comments.

Anyway this thread is about her more serious comments mocking a dying woman.

So you feel able to speak for them through no wish from them personally.

I was targeted as you say and another poster has commented and we agree with her.

[tormented mind]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

You are being offensive towards another poster, not clever

I am not, I am stating that you are part of the problem in society when the likes of KH can spout her vile intolerance for others by putting everyone with a disability that claims disability allowance into the category of being a scrounger who would suddenly find legs that worked so they could climb a ladder to get the money.

I believe you pander to this by laughing along with her at people with disabilities.

Even if you are disabled or not it's still (to me) disgusting that people do.

so please, show me where I have been offensive (considering you don't find laughing at disabled people offensive)

[Tip]

Seeing as some of my workmates are people who work full-time but receive DLA, I'm not sure what comments about climbing ladders at Christmas are to do with the price of bread.

Katie H is a wind up merchant for a living - she couldn't seem to hold down a proper job.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by tormented mind

I am not, I am stating that you are part of the problem in society when the likes of KH can spout her vile intolerance for others by putting everyone with a disability that claims disability allowance into the category of being a scrounger who would suddenly find legs that worked so they could climb a ladder to get the money.

I believe you pander to this by laughing along with her at people with disabilities.

Even if you are disabled or not it's still (to me) disgusting that people do.

so please, show me where I have been offensive (considering you don't find laughing at disabled people offensive)

Why are you segregating disabled people out,as thought they are different,we are all the same somethings work, some don't,but just because someone is disabled does not mean they have lost a sense of humour along with their disability,or the ability to be open minded,what an insult.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

You are being offensive towards another poster, not clever

Yes ,looks like he/she can offend,but when KH does it ,it's wrong,you couldn't write some of these things,lol

[Withano]

People have always only been judged by the things they have done inside the house.

This is why Dappy (who is inarguably a worse human being than Hopkins) ended up leaving loved by the public and coming 2nd place, Adam from Deana's civilian series who had a stint in prison left to a very similar reaction, and then theres our national treasures like Goodyear and Vinnie Jones who left to vicious boos.

It's been this way as long as I remember and although it's annoying and it shouldn't be the case at all, it just is. People are judged by the things that they do inside the house and very little else, accept it and move on!