[the truth]

Perils of the push for female firefighters
by betsy mcaughey - A WOMAN
(a man wouldn't be allowed to write such a report as hed be wrongly called a sexist pig)

If this is how bad "positive" discrimination gets....shouldn't we get old folks into the fire service because we cant discriminate against them and yes the disabled too....change all the qualifications in case these groups sue too?

yet another insane dangerous load of nonsense as a result of radical liberalism ....equal opportunity doesn't mean equal...no one is equal everyone is different, standards should never be lowered...innocent people will die again here because of pandering to feminism......to those absurd feminists I ask, if you and your family were in a burning building, would you really rather the woman who couldn't pass the tests to come and save you? if you say yes, I will never believe you



May 5, 2015 | 8:06pm

Perils of the push for female firefighters
Rebecca Wax
Photo: J.C. Rice


If you’re ever trapped in a burning building, just pray the firefighter climbing up to rescue you isn’t Rebecca Wax. Or someone like her, who’s been given an EZ-Pass through firefighting training for the sake of gender equity.

This week Wax, who repeatedly flunked the rigorous physical test required by the New York City Fire Department, will graduate anyway, The Post reported.

All over the nation, fire departments are easing physical standards, in response to litigation to increase the number of women firefighters.

It’s roiling fire departments, and the turmoil is a preview of what’s to come for the US military, which has committed to opening all combat roles to women by 2016.

Wax tried six times to pass New York’s Functional Skills Test within the 17-minute, 50-second deadline. Five times she couldn’t finish at all; on the sixth try, she needed 22 minutes. Women’s groups claim the test is needlessly difficult and unfairly bars women.

Trainees wearing 50 pounds of gear and breathing through an air tank must climb six stories, raise ladders, break down doors and drag a dummy through a dark tunnel, all at breakneck speed. Sounds like firefighting.

The city’s test is tougher than some tests elsewhere, but city buildings are higher. Nevertheless, Fire Commissioner Daniel Nigro gave Wax a pass because she had good performance on other measures, including academic tests.

Nigro wants to significantly boost the number of women in the FDNY — now only 0.5 percent of the rank-and-file — and he wants to do it before he’s staring at a court order.

Court orders are compelling Chicago to relax its standards. Two federal class-action lawsuits brought by women who flunked that city’s firefighting tests claimed that the exams required more than what is actually needed to be an effective firefighter.

Women account for 3.4 percent of the Chicago force, compared with 5.7 percent of firefighters nationally. Chicago authorities settled the case last month, admitting into training the previously rejected women and paying millions to others no longer eligible.

In Los Angeles, Mayor Eric Garcetti is plainly unhappy with this year’s all-male class of firefighting graduates.

There were four women among the 44 recruits who started last December, but they all dropped out.

Desperate to diversify, Garcetti paid the RAND Corp. a whopping $270,000 for advice. RAND’s brilliant insight was that LA should recruit women athletes who can take the grueling training. Well, duh!

That’s what San Marcos, Calif., learned upon hiring Siene Freeman.

Several other female recruits had washed out, but for her — a former marathoner and weight-lifter — the training was a piece of cake.

Municipalities that already have women firefighters are being hit with lawsuits.

But more often these are about sexual harassment rather than qualifications.

This year alone, Philadelphia, Tampa and at least a dozen other cities are being sued for allowing a culture of bawdy, suggestive behavior. Tampa’s fire department personnel chief, known as “Uncle Touchy,” just resigned after admitting he had hugged, massaged and flirted with female firefighters.

Many departments face the practical problem that firefighters — male and female — work 24 hour shifts, and sleep in an open bunk room, with no privacy curtains or separate changing area.

That’s hardly conducive for a professional working environment. Nigro says he is going to remedy these problems in New York.

Then again, the Tampa female firefighters are fanning the flames.

To raise money for burn victims, they put out a calendar. Trouble is, some of them posed in bikinis, sending a mixed message.

The touchy issue of women in traditional men’s occupations will be center stage this fall, when the Pentagon announces its “gender-neutral” rules for military assignments.

Some feminists argue that the Marine Corps’ grueling Combat Endurance Test is more of an “initiation rite” than a fair appraisal of physical ability, the same argument Wax’s supporters use about New York’s firefighting exam.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey ominously announced at a Pentagon briefing that if “a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain . . . does it really have to be that high?”

Military brass — like officials overseeing New York’s fire department — are too ready to lower standards, never mind the consequences in the field.

Is that really a victory for women?

[Niamh.]

My husband is a Fire Fighter and there are 3 women Fire Fighters at his station (one is the Driver) and they all had to pass the same medicals as he did and complete the same training

[Kizzy]

No link?

Wax tried six times to pass New York’s Functional Skills Test within the 17-minute, 50-second deadline. Five times she couldn’t finish at all; on the sixth try, she needed 22 minutes. Women’s groups claim the test is needlessly difficult and unfairly bars women.

Trainees wearing 50 pounds of gear and breathing through an air tank must climb six stories, raise ladders, break down doors and drag a dummy through a dark tunnel, all at breakneck speed. Sounds like firefighting.'

Can't deny her tenacity.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My husband is a Fire Fighter and there are 3 women Fire Fighters at his station (one is the Driver) and they all had to pass the same medicals as he did and complete the same training

that's great. but in this case and across America they have had to lower the standards to let women like this into the fire service , which is an absolute disgrace

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No link?

Wax tried six times to pass New York’s Functional Skills Test within the 17-minute, 50-second deadline. Five times she couldn’t finish at all; on the sixth try, she needed 22 minutes. Women’s groups claim the test is needlessly difficult and unfairly bars women.

Trainees wearing 50 pounds of gear and breathing through an air tank must climb six stories, raise ladders, break down doors and drag a dummy through a dark tunnel, all at breakneck speed. Sounds like firefighting.'

Can't deny her tenacity.

tenacity isn't enough, everyone should pass the tests without the tests having to be lowered just to give into the demands of the feminists.....innocent people will get injured and innocent people will die as a result of this disgusting decision

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My husband is a Fire Fighter and there are 3 women Fire Fighters at his station (one is the Driver) and they all had to pass the same medicals as he did and complete the same training

This is the truth,my brother is also a firefighter and the women are trained the same as the men.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

that's great. but in this case and across America they have had to lower the standards to let women like this into the fire service , which is an absolute disgrace

Well, I don't know much about what goes on in America in regards to how they're trained but my husband reckons that they're training isn't as good over there anyway and that they already have far higher death rates in the Fire service because they're too gung ho and don't follow proper procedures like they do here and in Britain

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, I don't know much about what goes on in America in regards to how they're trained but my husband reckons that they're training isn't as good over there anyway and that they already have far higher death rates in the Fire service because they're too gung ho and don't follow proper procedures like they do here and in Britain

Well there you go a blend of adherence to safety procedure, strength and teamwork seems to be the answer.
Maybe the Americans could learn something from the British model?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well there you go a blend of adherence to safety procedure, strength and teamwork seems to be the answer.
Maybe the Americans could learn something from the British model?

The Irish model Kizzy

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The Irish model Kizzy

The UK model?... :/ #shamed

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The UK model?... :/ #shamed

Ireland isn't part of the Uk Uk and Irish

[bots]

Men and women both face the same challenges/perils when fighting fires so their training has to be identical.

I had to do some basic search and rescue training in the dim and distant past that was organised by the fire service, and hell, its tough. They get nothing but respect from me.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Men and women both face the same challenges/perils when fighting fires so their training has to be identical.

I had to do some basic search and rescue training in the dim and distant past that was organised by the fire service, and hell, its tough. They get nothing but respect from me.

...indeed and as well as the physical, it's also the emotional as well with the things they must see...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...indeed and as well as the physical, it's also the emotional as well with the things they must see...

And it isn't all about the physical either. The fire service work in teams, they don't all rush into burning buildings dragging out bodies, the driver for example is in charge of operating the pumps

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And it isn't all about the physical either. The fire service work in teams, they don't all rush into burning buildings dragging out bodies, the driver for example is in charge of operating the pumps

...yeah it's a total trust/teamwork thing and I would think that there is a huge bond between them ..I think that one of the worst things must be, in terms of what they see, road traffic accidents and having to get the people out, whatever the injuries...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah it's a total trust/teamwork thing and I would think that there is a huge bond between them ..I think that one of the worst things must be, in terms of what they see, road traffic accidents and having to get the people out, whatever the injuries...

Yeah, Gav gets called to more road traffic accidents then house fires

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ireland isn't part of the Uk Uk and Irish

I give up

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, Gav gets called to more road traffic accidents then house fires

..I would think that with a road traffic accident, it wouldn't be the same type of 'adrenalin' thing so you were really fully absorbing the horror of it all...I just can't imagine what it would be like to be one of the first to arrive at a huge pile up with multiple deaths and horrific injuries...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, I don't know much about what goes on in America in regards to how they're trained but my husband reckons that they're training isn't as good over there anyway and that they already have far higher death rates in the Fire service because they're too gung ho and don't follow proper procedures like they do here and in Britain

this story is about America? why are you choosing to ignore that fact?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Men and women both face the same challenges/perils when fighting fires so their training has to be identical.

I had to do some basic search and rescue training in the dim and distant past that was organised by the fire service, and hell, its tough. They get nothing but respect from me.

that is untrue , in America. if youd actually bothered reading the report at the top of this page youd know that. lives will be lost as they had to lower the standards to let this women.; this has happened across america

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah it's a total trust/teamwork thing and I would think that there is a huge bond between them ..I think that one of the worst things must be, in terms of what they see, road traffic accidents and having to get the people out, whatever the injuries...

they had to lower the standards to let this woman in...this puts everyones life at more risk and destroys the teamwork you talk about.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

this story is about America? why are you choosing to ignore that fact?

I'm hardly ignoring that fact when I mentioned America in the post of mine which you quoted

Serious question Truth, do you honestly believe that "feminazis" as you like to call them, are what's most wrong with the world today?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My husband is a Fire Fighter and there are 3 women Fire Fighters at his station (one is the Driver) and they all had to pass the same medicals as he did and complete the same training

one....is....the...driver??

what kind of chilling revelation is this?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

one....is....the...driver??

what kind of chilling revelation is this?

Be quiet you

[bots]

Originally Posted by the truth

that is untrue , in America. if youd actually bothered reading the report at the top of this page youd know that. lives will be lost as they had to lower the standards to let this women.; this has happened across america

I'm simply stating facts, if you don't like what you hear ... tough. The fixation you have with women has left me speechless to be honest.