[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So from their graphs, the biggest single contributing factor is delays in receiving required benefit. That is a failure in the system response times more than anything else.

Would that include benefit sanctions? I can see how that would cause a need to visit a foodbank especially if there were children in the household.

[Crimson Dynamo]

food banks are a great example of Dave's Big Society, so in many ways he should be thanked for their spread

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I believe that as the economy improves so those in dire need will reduce, with more jobs and a higher standard of living.

OK so will you wake the rest of us from cryo-sleep when that actually happens?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Would that include benefit sanctions? I can see how that would cause a need to visit a foodbank especially if there were children in the household.

There was another category for that, which was substantial, but not in the same league as the delays. Thing is, some of these things can be sorted out really quickly if the problem is identified, and there really isn't any excuse for delays in people receiving benefit, not when it means people are starving.

Once that is out of the way, then it focusses effort to resolve the other cases.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There was another category for that, which was substantial, but not in the same league as the delays. Thing is, some of these things can be sorted out really quickly if the problem is identified, and there really isn't any excuse for delays in people receiving benefit, not when it means people are starving.

Once that is out of the way, then it focusses effort to resolve the other cases.

It'll be the changeover to universal credit then, that's cost hundreds of millions already in defunct IT.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OK so will you wake the rest of us from cryo-sleep when that actually happens?

Well, I could try...

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by arista

No G.
its going to get better


Get on the Ladder

please explain to me how it's going to get better?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

My point is though that it doesn't matter the size of the problem, the fact it's a problem in the first place is terrible.

Its always been a problem and always will be a problem

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its always been a problem and always will be a problem

And we should just be accepting of that, even though every day more and more people walk the tightrope and could at any moment find themselves 1 or 2 wage slips short and in debt?
Like the famous rabble rouser Farage should we not get vocal about the issues which we feel are a clear and present danger to our communities such as austerity... why is it only immigration that is universally accepted as the issue that both left and right can get vocal about?

[Kizzy]

On Saturday I was one of 250 citizens who met at the Queen Street statue of Aneurin Bevan in Cardiff, to protest the Tories’ austerity measures, with the People’s Assembly. Thankfully, it’s my democratic right to do so.

While I was aware that my presence at the rally could attract the media, I’m sure that you’ll be shocked to hear that I didn’t do it for some self-aggrandising purpose. As I’ve previously stated on my blog, I have no wish to be trolled and abused. It would be much easier for me not to engage. I’m not promoting a record or a TV show. My only motivation for attending was to try to make a difference; to further political discourse in my community; to draw attention to a cause that is more than valid, it is vital.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...sembly-cardiff

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And we should just be accepting of that, even though every day more and more people walk the tightrope and could at any moment find themselves 1 or 2 wage slips short and in debt?
Like the famous rabble rouser Farage should we not get vocal about the issues which we feel are a clear and present danger to our communities such as austerity... why is it only immigration that is universally accepted as the issue that both left and right can get vocal about?

no that is why we invented foodbanks, its a very positive local initiative move

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you apply the same logic to the 2010 figure and the same person used the foodbank 3 times that would mean of that the true figure was 16,667 today that figure today equates to 361,535 which means 344,868 more people are using foodbanks today than 5yrs ago or an extra 68,974 people per yer over the last 5.
But like you say it wouldn't matter who, why or how many, it's been reported these are the nations undesirables.

Exactly I did this in another thread ages ago, they just ignored it then too.
You are right it takes the figures of 2010, even at the very lowest estimate from around the figure you state above to well over 300,000 minimum now in 2015.

Some people seem to think that is right and fine for a figure to rise like that in just over 4 years.

That is for me, when they lose the argument totally, they say it is left wing propaganda as a dismissal of the facts.
Hey. well I am from the left now and from what I see on here now, how glad I am as to that and I changed from such a party that has such hardline support.
Before anyone says I am getting at Conservative voters there, think before you say it, after the insults and rubbish that has been thrown at Labour supporters these last few weeks and the derision I have had to put up with.

I have always stated usage over people as to statistics.
Which is in fact, looking at usage even more damning as to the govt; in power at the time, since it seems people are now needing to use them more than once anyway now.
In 2010 being the rarity to do so, just over 4 years later, almost heading to be the norm.

Another fact, some will ignore because of their scant disregard for anyone elses view that is daring to think their precious Conservative govt; could even be wrong on anything.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no that is why we invented foodbanks, its a very positive local initiative move

Who's we?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I suggested it as it is how I feel Livia I'm not attempting to influence or preempt how Josy feels.
No matter how you look at it it the situation has mushroomed, almost 69,000 extra people year on year for 5yrs ... I'm sure that 5 years ago all if these people were in our communities struggling we would've noticed?
Are we more compassionate now than we were then, are professionals referring these people for the heck of it, unstable employment, bedroom tax and benefit sanctions or any combination of these don't account for any increase whatsoever?

People are affected by poverty porn as that is what it was designed to do.
The economy has recovered slightly and yet households are currently on average Ł1100 worse off, I don't envisage this changing for many following 12 billion in cuts.

You are doing nothing wrong Kizzy, you have highlighted again as I did and others and Josy on another thread ages ago.

We are concerned about foodbank use and feel any decent govt; in power would have done something about the need for them at all.

This lot have been told for near 3 years now as to the really big rises in foodbank need and done nothing at all as to it, except help create the circumstances where more people will need to use them.

You can go on until you are blue in the face and get nowhere because some do not see this as the govts; fault at all.
It the peoples fault for being in need in the first place.
Shocking, absolutely despicably shocking.

Just to re-iterate,even just on the best figures, just around 16,000 using foodbanks in 2010,13 years after the start of a Labour govt:
Now well over 300,0000 doing so after only 5 years of Conservative govt;
That speaks volumes, those are facts,the 'minimal' facts, not the likely 'maximum' facts.

A new lower benefits cap,cuts and freezes to some benefit increases will not help the situation, it will make it worse and that is what is going to happen,you are correct again.
I admire your persistence, I am starting to realise it is a waste of time to even try to get any compassion for foodbank users from some quarters of society.

I help out at one, I see the desperation and most times embarrassment of those who feel such failures that they have had to be referred in the first place to them.
The scepticism towards foodbanks likely comes from people who have never even seen one, let alone helped out at one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who's we?

the big society.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Exactly I did this in another thread ages ago, they just ignored it then too.
You are right it takes the figures of 2010, even at the very lowest estimate from around the figure you state above to well over 300,000 minimum now in 2015.

Some people seem to think that is right and fine for a figure to rise like that in just over 4 years.

That is for me, when they lose the argument totally, they say it is left wing propaganda as a dismissal of the facts.
Hey. well I am from the left now and from what I see on here now, how glad I am as to that and I changed from such a party that has such hardline support.
Before anyone says I am getting at Conservative voters there, think before you say it, after the insults and rubbish that has been thrown at Labour supporters these last few weeks and the derision I have had to put up with.

I have always stated usage over people as to statistics.
Which is in fact, looking at usage even more damning as to the govt; in power at the time, since it seems people are now needing to use them more than once anyway now.
In 2010 being the rarity to do so, just over 4 years later, almost heading to be the norm.

Another fact, some will ignore because of their scant disregard for anyone elses view that is daring to think their precious Conservative govt; could even be wrong on anything.

I'm thinking of having a brick wall installed on a thread we can bash our heads on
What is obvious is that statistics which praise the govt are accepted and agreed with without question, though those like these that show that food bank use that ultimately in 2015 is humiliating to a rich nation such as ours are immediately disbelieved.
It's laughable, I think the term is 'blind faith'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the big society.

But we as a society can't do anything about the cause, just as we can't do anything about immigration... the decisions are made in government.
Communities can offer support, a sticking plaster but it doesn't address the issue.

There's no such thing as society anyway remember.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm thinking of having a brick wall installed on a thread we can bash our heads on
What is obvious is that statistics which praise the govt are accepted and agreed with without question, though those like these that show that food bank use that ultimately in 2015 is humiliating to a rich nation such as ours are immediately disbelieved.
It's laughable, I think the term is 'blind faith'.

Well said.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Germyle

please explain to me how it's going to get better?

Look
be more Positive about life.
Keep trying at all Jobs,
never give up

[Gstar]

um.. thanks

[Kizzy]

Spoiler:

[lime]

After reading through this thread ...Joey and kizzy i am 100% behind you.Not once but repeateldy you both condemed the roioters but expressesd an interset in taking part in the protests.I am not from the UK nor do I live there but am disgusted at the comments aimed at protesters.As a South African its sad to hear protesters shold be shot dead.....that happens in my country along with immigrants being killed

[Livia]

Lime, for the sake of balance, I think only one poster suggested shooting the rioters, and knowing that poster I would say it was not a serious comment. No one is against the right to peaceful protest. That's not what this turned into.

[Ninastar]

What's so bad about food banks btw? Is there something I'm missing with that? I think they are a great idea and Id be happy to donate tons of food.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Chaos

What's so bad about food banks btw? Is there something I'm missing with that? I think they are a great idea and Id be happy to donate tons of food.

Food banks are bad, apparently, because there are more of them now than there used to be. People have taken this as a sign that more people are in need, rather than the need is being met more efficiently.