[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Donovan.

A lot of the BB17 negativity so far has been based on a set of pictures/bios and 3 minute interviews, but yeah stay mad about it when we don't even know if this ends up being a great cast or not.

...It's pre-season. All we have to go on is this information, and pretty much all of the information has sounded bad to me. And I don't think people are getting mad (at least I'm not) over it, we're just disappointed in what we're seeing so far for BB17 and what we've seen for the last few years. It could very well be a great cast, but it would be a lot better if they could give us an actual cross-section of America with unique characters of different races, ages, religions, whatever.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Mokkajava

ohh... I guess I think that if I hated it as much as you... I would just turn it off.

I mean, not that tv watching is really good for any of our health"s... but all that rage and bitterness can't be good for you

eh, it's just a show that's good when it's good but is ****ing atrocious when it's bad, and unfortunately it's been more bad than good lately. There used to be a part of me that would still hope for a BB11 type of series, but at this rate I'll even take a BB13 or early days BB15.

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

I don't think so... even those 3 you mention are different kinds of people (Jeff and Frank are semi-similar, I kinda see that). Caleb is hardly like the other 2.

BB17 in particular has a whole lot of different guy personalities. Most seem kinda boring to me tbh but they're different. Same with BB16 bunch of different guys, except a lot of those guys were big personalities. The girls didn't do much of anything to help the show (and I liked quite a bit of them personally) yet the guys are blamed for a bad, boring season... And they are somehow classified in the same group of "same basic straight white males" when they were pretty different to each other. Cody, Caleb, Derrick, Zach are not alike to each other, aside from all being white males. Maybe a few characteristics here and there.

Anyway I don't wanna turn this into a BB sexes debate. Honestly, this particular season I don't have high hopes for the males but not much has been seen yet from anyone. Just truthfully it is generally hard for any of them to do any right from what I've seen in most places online. Cody from BB16 is a good example... he was a genuinely really good guy, defended people from bullying even when it was minor, had a good, positive attitude a lot of the time, sense of humor, etc. Pretty good at the game without being annoying/cocky and honestly an entertaining character regardless of what many say. It's different with the casual audience, just not online.

The guys were "big personalities" last year but their personalities were pretty awful, and they're blamed for a bad and boring season because the five worst guys predictably joined together and took out everyone who was likable and interesting. And most people know how I feel about Cody (his fanbase here is inexplicable, especially since many of these people write Amber off as just a pretty face), but I'll repeat again that he's whiny, moody, vindictive, and the most annoying snot sucker who played Derrick's game for him. He constantly made moves that benefited Derrick more than himself, and it was often at the expense of HGs who were actually entertaining to watch. He had the perfect opportunity to get Caleb out, but he settled for Brittany. He had the perfect opportunity to get Frankie out, but he settled for Donny. He was all talk (how many times did we hear how he was going to call someone out or put someone on blast?) and his gameplay actively ruined my enjoyment of the season.

Originally Posted by Donovan.

I mean I get thinking that Steve's an 'Ian-type' but until I see him walking through the house in his underwear farting while everyone's watching on the HoH monitor and laughing or until he tries to make the frog squad or whateva, I'm not mad at him.

We've had a few nerdy types and a fair few alpha male types and definitely a lot of bitchy girl types, but they haven't all been carbon copies of each other. And even if they all had been carbon copies of each other, we shouldn't judge these guys off of what we've been given before. A lot of the BB17 negativity so far has been based on a set of pictures/bios and 3 minute interviews, but yeah stay mad about it when we don't even know if this ends up being a great cast or not.

eh, Steve also had an abhorrent profile so I'm fully content with disliking him so far.

[Donovan.]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

...It's pre-season. All we have to go on is this information, and pretty much all of the information has sounded bad to me. And I don't think people are getting mad (at least I'm not) over it, we're just disappointed in what we're seeing so far for BB17 and what we've seen for the last few years. It could very well be a great cast, but it would be a lot better if they could give us an actual cross-section of America with unique characters of different races, ages, religions, whatever.

Oh I'm definitely all for more diversity, but these aren't exactly middle of America types.

In this cast we have
-a trans woman
-a single mother who's leaning away from the church/her family
-a self proclaimed "asian redneck"
-an ex-wrestler whose hippie parents let him quit 8th grade only to later get a masters in history
-a gay youth from the northeast (sounds bland tbf, but his interview was good)
-a mactor recruit (for you Raph)
-a multimillionaire lesbian pokah playah

Diversity isn't always black and white, but I'll concede that racial diversity is for sure needed on BBUS

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

eh, Steve also had an abhorrent profile so I'm fully content with disliking him so far.

Fair, but as soon as I read his oath to not fight scream or yell or whateva, I pictured him not being able to stick to it for some reason so idk

[Macie Lightfoot]

The gay youth actually seems like a not horrible gay so at least there's a small victory.

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Please stop please (are you trolling?)

Promo Nicole instead

I was trolling about Caleb I have no desire to see him on bb again and then survivor. But Aaryn with this cast would be great tv make it happen cbs!

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

I was trolling about Caleb I have no desire to see him on bb again and then survivor. But Aaryn with this cast would be great tv make it happen cbs!

Why would it be great tv?
I'm really curious

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Why would it be great tv?
I'm really curious

Why wouldn't you want to see if Aaryn hates on the transgender person or not?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Why wouldn't you want to see if Aaryn hates on the transgender person or not?

because that's just awful
Sorry but why would you want to see that? that's disgusting.

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by LukeB

because that's just awful
Sorry but why would you want to see that? that's disgusting.

It's not actually going to happen but people are going to be so worried and freaked out about it that it will be entertaining to me.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

It's not actually going to happen but people are going to be so worried and freaked out about it that it will be entertaining to me.

People as in houseguest or fans as in us?

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by LukeB

People as in houseguest or fans as in us?

fans

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm still amazed that two years later people are still pretending like Aaryn was anything other than a racist blonde white chick with a sense of entitlement and no ability for empathy or self-reflection.

Unless that's exactly why Aaryngriesfan likes her? :3

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Why wouldn't you want to see if Aaryn hates on the transgender person or not?

That's really not even funny

Like are you basically admitting you're a fan of Aaryn just to troll? Like you do know what kind of comments she made during BB15 don't you? Surely you can't defend that?

[swinearefine]

I hate most gay youths from the northeast, except for me and this one guy I think may be closeted with whom I talk dirty on FB (in a sarcastic way? )

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

fans

So you find the haters freaking out entertaining? just look on twitter or social media tbh

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That's really not even funny

Like are you basically admitting you're a fan of Aaryn just to troll? Like you do know what kind of comments she made during BB15 don't you? Surely you can't defend that?

omg how did I overlook that post o_o

[Donovan.]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Why wouldn't you want to see if Aaryn hates on the transgender person or not?

honestly, what the **** bruh?

[swinearefine]

Too much Aaryan in one thread

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by LukeB

So you find the haters freaking out entertaining? just look on twitter or social media tbh

Oh I love twitter. But in all seriousness I think if Aaryn did come back she would probably be boring as f. I think there is no way she would want to have to go through that media backlash again for a second time. But the bb fans would have a meltdown about it so that alone makes it worth bringing her back.

[swinearefine]

And honestly don't worry about there being a lack of transphobia in there. I can pretty much guarantee there will be with or without Aaryn..

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Oh I love twitter. But in all seriousness I think if Aaryn did come back she would probably be boring as f. I think there is no way she would want to have to go through that media backlash again for a second time. But the bb fans would have a meltdown about it so that alone makes it worth bringing her back.

I'm speechless tbh

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

And honestly don't worry about there being a lack of transphobia in there. I can pretty much guarantee there will be with or without Aaryn..

I am sure the Texas football player will be the first one to take up this cause.

[LukeB]

I rather watch that ****ing 3 hour friendship video that Macie posted before(it could be more or less) than Aaryn tbh

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I rather watch that ****ing 3 hour friendship video that Macie posted before(it could be more or less) than Aaryn tbh

they're not even comparable lmfao the Friendship are hilariously delusional and psychotic <3

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Oh I love twitter. But in all seriousness I think if Aaryn did come back she would probably be boring as f. I think there is no way she would want to have to go through that media backlash again for a second time. But the bb fans would have a meltdown about it so that alone makes it worth bringing her back.

what you are failing to recognize is... the BB franchise won't touch here with a 10 foot poll now... for the very reasons you as a fan are posturing ... because only people who like vile bullying for entertainment would be happy about it... end of.