[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

Don't bring the sex card into it I never suggested that. Don't read what I wrote, digest it and then **** it out and present it back to me like that's what I said.

You insinuated that because he is physically stronger than her (which is usually the case because men are stronger than women) it was not a level argument and shouldn't have taken place, which is effectively saying men are not allowed to argue with women. You know exactly what you were implying.

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

All the kings horses and all the kings men, couldn't put Belo together again.

Wow. Just wow. I sincerely hope you or a member of your family never experiences bullying, because maybe then you'll realise it's not a joking matter. Until then, get some ****ing decorum.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MB.

Can we just end on-season now please

It's usually vitriolic enough to be miserable year after year, but I have been honestly so appalled over the last few days at the reactions to this incident. I'm ashamed to be a part of a fan base of a programme that includes people who think such behaviour is justifiable. This show is the pits.

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

All the kings horses and all the kings men, couldn't put Belo together again.

You try waaaay too hard.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You insinuated that because he is physically stronger than her (which is usually the case because men are stronger than women) it was not a level argument and shouldn't have taken place, which is effectively saying men are not allowed to argue with women. You know exactly what you were implying.



Wow. Just wow. I sincerely hope you or a member of your family never experiences bullying, because maybe then you'll realise it's not a joking matter. Until then, get some ****ing decorum.

I am specifically referring to this argument, not every argument from time immemorial between man and woman. He was physically intimidating during those rows. I would have been intimidated myself by him. His eyes were wild, he was spitting when shouting, he was not collected. He used this form of argument tactic against Helen and it didn't work.

If any of my family do get bullied, I'll make sure they;ll always have a wall to jump over at my house.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

You try waaaay too hard.

Thanks mate.

[Glenn.]

Brian was sat silently on the sofa when Helen was deliberately antagonizing him.

[Vicky.]

Honestly, I think helens comments were the only bad thing she did during that whole thing

It is not as uncommon as some seem to believe purposely riling someone who is clearly getting angrier by the second. You see it as him on the verge of tears..I saw it as him ****ing RAGING.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

I am specifically referring to this argument, not every argument from time immemorial between man and woman. He was physically intimidating during those rows. I would have been intimidated myself by him. His eyes were wild, he was spitting when shouting, he was not collected. He used this form of argument tactic against Helen and it didn't work.

And once again, in the scene when he wasn't doing that and sat in silence, she went at him and didn't stop. That is bullying. I am right and you are wrong.

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

If any of my family do get bullied, I'll make sure they;ll always have a wall to jump over at my house.

Let's hope they and you do

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's usually vitriolic enough to be miserable year after year, but I have been honestly so appalled over the last few days at the reactions to this incident. I'm ashamed to be a part of a fan base of a programme that includes people who think such behaviour is justifiable. This show is the pits.

I agree

Seeing people enjoy Helen's treatment of Brian has been deeply disturbing. I've no issue with people having different opinions but to actually enjoy a grown man welling up being called really horrific names and watch another person goade him and thoroughly enjoying ever moment of torment is odd to me.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, I think helens comments were the only bad thing she did during that whole thing

It is not as uncommon as some seem to believe purposely riling someone who is clearly getting angrier by the second. You see it as him on the verge of tears..I saw it as him ****ing RAGING.

Even if his shaking was anger (mixed in with fear I believe, personally), it is still bullying to continue to goad someone when they are sat there doing nothing. Tears, fear or anger, if someone is doing nothing back to you and you continue to go at them, mocking them, smirking, you are being a bully.

You know I don't use that word lightly and have defended all accusations of bullying against Helen before, but that is out and out bullying.

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

Thanks mate.

Trust me mate, it wasn't a compliment.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Arguments aren't linear. They don't start and stop and are forgotten about. He was nit picking at her all week, making up stuff that Marc had supposedly done (he didn't vote out Jade) and he was aggressive towards her.

She schooled him. She completely broke him down bit by bit and fed him to himself. She was well within her rights to too because he's an aggressive, attention seeker in dire need of anger management. How he has come out of this unscathed is beyond me.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

Trust me mate, it wasn't a compliment.

I barely know you mate. We're going to have to get to know each other a little better before a trust is formed. It's the building block of any relationship. Drop me a PM there and we'll get the ball rolling.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

Arguments aren't linear. They don't start and stop and are forgotten about. He was nit picking at her all week, making up stuff that Marc had supposedly done (he didn't vote out Jade) and he was aggressive towards her.

She schooled him. She completely broke him down bit by bit and fed him to himself. She was well within her rights to too because he's an aggressive, attention seeker in dire need of anger management. How he has come out of this unscathed is beyond me.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, I think helens comments were the only bad thing she did during that whole thing

It is not as uncommon as some seem to believe purposely riling someone who is clearly getting angrier by the second. You see it as him on the verge of tears..I saw it as him ****ing RAGING.

Helen saw he was angry and I don't blame him, he was being called horrific things.

She continued to try abd push him further abd tip him over the edge.

She then claims she was intimidated by him. I don't believe her, had she really been intimidated I doubt she would keep prodding.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I agree

Seeing people enjoy Helen's treatment of Brian has been deeply disturbing. I've no issue with people having different opinions but to actually enjoy a grown man welling up being called really horrific names and watch another person goade him and thoroughly enjoying ever moment of torment is odd to me.

Exactly. I could understand how people find and found Helen entertaining in all other instances, last year and this year. Hell, I could even have understood people finding that argument entertaining and acceptable had this particular scene not happened and she had just called him a murderer and a rapist, but to think that someone sitting there being goaded and belittled deliberately (as she admitted to) by someone who was getting enjoyment out of it is entertaining and/or acceptable is to me absolutely abhorrent. Something so uncomfortable and saddening is not justifiable in any way shape or form, and the fact that some people think it is is just disturbing.

[Macie Lightfoot]

why are people even engaging in this tbh? Like, Helen's behavior over both the course of this series and last series (and I'll throw in Marc's behavior too tbh; they really are two sides of the same coin) speaks for itself, and the few people who do like Helen will continue to do mental gymnastics to make it seem like she's permanently the victim who has done no wrong and how dare anyone do her wrong.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Exactly. I could understand how people find and found Helen entertaining in all other instances, last year and this year. Hell, I could even have understood people finding that argument entertaining and acceptable had this particular scene not happened and she had just called him a murderer and a rapist, but to think that someone sitting there being goaded and belittled deliberately (as she admitted to) by someone who was getting enjoyment out of it is entertaining and/or acceptable is to me absolutely abhorrent. Something so uncomfortable and saddening is not justifiable in any way shape or form, and the fact that some people think it is is just disturbing.

To be quite honest I was egging her on. I think she showed a bit of weakness there.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Can we just end on-season now please

This.

[Glenn.]

I'm screaming at the lengths people will defend Helen. I'm howling with laughter.

[iToby]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

It's not a level argument when he's physically much stronger than her and roaring at the top of his voice. She mentally destroyed him using the tools she has in her locker. I'm not saying that's right but she argued to her strengths, he argued to his and she won.

I hope he doesn't charge her too much for the space she's renting in his head. He will be haunted by her for a long time.

She struck me as more of a squatter type

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I'm screaming at the lengths people will defend Helen. I'm howling with laughter.

You should get that seen to.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I'm screaming at the lengths people will defend Helen. I'm howling with laughter.

I'm screaming at why people are still talking about her.

Her and Nikki have gone. They're history.

Move on.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I'm screaming at the lengths people will defend Helen. I'm howling with laughter.

Yes her saying that Brian looked like a rapist/murderer was an indefensible way to react to him shouting at her like that for the third time that week. No wonder people call her a villain!

She should not have sat there and said those words to him as he stood over her shouting; instead she should have followed Brian's example and acted exactly like him.

She should have stood up over Brian, pointed and screamed in his face, called him a 'vile human being', an energy sucking demon ('dementer'), said he was 'pure evil' and told him that he 'makes his money from being a scumbag' etc etc.

Not only that, she should have got so worked up as she shouted at him that she had to be physically restrained by the other HMs - just like Brian did for the third time that week.

Maybe she should have thrown her shoes and stormed off?

If only she had said and done ALL those things instead, exactly as Brian did - THEN she wouldn't have been called a villain at all. She would have been called a Hero, just like Brian was.

Brian showed us all how to behave that night. That's how heroes behave.

It's HILARIOUS as you say mate that people defend Helen in the face of such heroic behaviour from Brian. Brian's insults and shouting and pointing and physical intimidation are SOOOO much better than anything Helen ever said in retalliation aren't they????

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

Arguments aren't linear. They don't start and stop and are forgotten about. He was nit picking at her all week, making up stuff that Marc had supposedly done (he didn't vote out Jade) and he was aggressive towards her.

She schooled him. She completely broke him down bit by bit and fed him to himself. She was well within her rights to too because he's an aggressive, attention seeker in dire need of anger management. How he has come out of this unscathed is beyond me.

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