[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Then you are for censorship and against Free Speech, this is a black and white issue. You're either for it or against it. There is no grey area. It's all or nothing.

Occasional censorship is not a bad thing considering some of the views out there.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Occasional censorship is not a bad thing considering some of the views out there.

Okay, then you're against Freedom of Speech. End of discussion.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by y.winter

You're right, it's not comparable. 6 million people died in the Holocaust, it's way way more than the london attacks.
I'm sorry You're hurt by this sentence, but it was just to show how you all know nothing about what happened on WW2 and are just up for entertainment in a TV show.
My grandfather had to runaway and make a heartbreaking desicion to leave is 7 siblings and mother and father and friends and relatives to survive.
He lived in the woods, hide in dark basements, begged for food and looked for kindness - all while knowing his familly is butchered one by one by Hitler and his supporters.
You talk about Tila going through a tough time in 2013 justyfing this? Let's talk about my grandather's hard time and how he dealt with it.

I'm absolutely fuming at people craving for a housemate in big brother just to satisfy their momentary enjoyment.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Okay, then you're against Freedom of Speech. End of discussion.

Of course, because you're always right I forgot about that

Don't tell me what I believe in and what I don't, life isn't black and white.

[Kazanne]

Some people really need to hush their mouths and put their brain into gear before they start spouting out rubbish,Tila seems to be one of those,her removal was the right thing to do.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Of course, because you're always right I forgot about that

Don't tell me what I believe in and what I don't, life isn't black and white.

Well this is a black and white issue. You either believe in Freedom of Speech or you don't. You can't sit on the fence with this issue.

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some people really need to hush their mouths and put their brain into gear before they start spouting out rubbish,Tila seems to be one of those,her removal was the right thing to do.

If she was all over the place at the time then I don't blame her. She obviously wanted attention so she could feel sure about herself, but went to extreme lengths to get it which was IMO wrong, but what matters now though is that she is genuinely sorry for her actions and would like to move on from it. I'm hoping that Big Brother would respect that by not airing her ejection scenes, and I hope everyone else respects that too.

[Robodog]

What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.
Salman Rushdie

[Kazanne]

Blimey all this talk about freedom of speech by the very people that hate Helen Wood and Katie Hopkins,but it's ok for Tila as she is seen as cute and a 'great' housemate,

[smudgie]

Her freedom of speech allowed her to say what she thought.
Those that she offended used their freedom of speech to show their feelings.
BB had to decide who they thought was right in the situation and took action they deemed correct.
So, we all have freedom of speech, just some of us don't realise you are responsible for what you say and must be prepared to take the consequences.
Inciting hate and shouting "fire" in a theatre are a couple of things that spring to mind.
If we were walking down the street and used our freedom of speech to tell the neighbour what a twit he is then we could expect a thump.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Blimey all this talk about freedom of speech by the very people that hate Helen Wood and Katie Hopkins,but it's ok for Tila as she is seen as cute and a 'great' housemate,

Again, you've missed the point. Try paying attention.

I hated Helen and I dislike Katie Hopkins but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to their opinions. Seriously Kazanne, you must not understand the topic at all if you think saying 'I hate Helen Wood' is hypocritical in this context.

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Blimey all this talk about freedom of speech by the very people that hate Helen Wood and Katie Hopkins,but it's ok for Tila as she is seen as cute and a 'great' housemate,

I didn't hate either of them but if they said something that I didn't agree with, I wouldn't be angry about it at all.

[Robodog]

One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting.
Salman Rushdie

True say, Salman. It's not easy or pleasant at times but what's the alternative?

Our friends and families suffered WW2 in order for us to keep free speech alive today; that includes the freedom to offend, however unpleasant or wrong those views may be.

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by Robodog

One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting.
Salman Rushdie

True say, Salman. It's not easy or pleasant at times but what's the alternative?

Our friends and families suffered WW2 in order for us to keep free speech alive today; that includes the freedom to offend, however unpleasant or wrong those views may be.

Quite right. My job is to defend murderers and sex offenders and give reasons why they shouldn't go to prison. Do I think they should go to prison? Heck yeah. But it's my job to save them from that. I guess it's made me more tolerable to opinions that I might not like.

Welcome to the World.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Robodog

One of the problems with defending free speech is you often have to defend people that you find to be outrageous and unpleasant and disgusting.
Salman Rushdie

True say, Salman. It's not easy or pleasant at times but what's the alternative?

Our friends and families suffered WW2 in order for us to keep free speech alive today; that includes the freedom to offend, however unpleasant or wrong those views may be.

Very true, I find people that deny their rights because it makes them feel uncomfortable more unpleasant than a mentally unstable girl saying something stupid.

People have died so we can have Freedom of Speech and the other freedoms we have, to deny it is to piss on their bones. It's truly misguided and people who deny their rights don't have the excuse of being mentally unstable either.

[Ashsleigh]

In conclusion: Life is too short to keep your mouth shut.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Very true, I find people that deny their rights because it makes them feel uncomfortable more unpleasant than a mentally unstable girl saying something stupid.

People have died so we can have Freedom of Speech and the other freedoms we have, to deny it is to piss on their bones. It's truly misguided and people who deny their rights don't have the excuse of being mentally unstable either.

Absolutely. So many good points there. People really need to stop and think, and remember the sacrifices made in the past to get us where we are today.

People who don't want a free speech society should try moving to a country/regime without one and see how they like it there.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, you've missed the point. Try paying attention.

I hated Helen and I dislike Katie Hopkins but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to their opinions. Seriously Kazanne, you must not understand the topic at all if you think saying 'I hate Helen Wood' is hypocritical in this context.

No need to get personal again!!,I am paying attention,and I never mentioned you,the fact is people on here hated Helen and Katie for saying things they didn't like,but they are happy to defend what Tila said and imo that IS hypocritical.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No need to get personal again!!,I am paying attention,and I never mentioned you,the fact is people on here hated Helen and Katie for saying things they didn't like,but they are happy to defend what Tila said and imo that IS hypocritical.

Not getting personal, stop being defensive and accusing me of crap because you've realised you're in the wrong but you're in too deep to go back.

Again your point is completely wrong. You simply do not understand what we are talking about. Me hating Helen has nothing to do with defending Tila's rights to her stupid comments. I never denied Helen her right to her hateful bile, I just commented on it showing my own disapproval of it. I didn't like their opinions but that doesn't mean I'd deny the Freedom of Speech just to shut them up.

[reece(:]

Agree with all your points Dezzy

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Robodog

So true, so logical. So many people need that reminder of what freedom of speech actually means - warts and all. Otherwise (ironically) you end up with a society like Nazi Germany where freedom of expression was shut down.

Actually, Hitler and the Nazi party were elected by democracy and the freedom of speech.
Actions are triggered by words and ideas. That's how it all happened.
I don't see anything PC in defending the memory of the holocaust victims (which are, again, not only jews but blacks and gays and the list goes on, you brits were just not the first up that list).

Tila has tried several times to reason and promote the murderers (and the overall Nazi ideas) of my family and many more innocent people.
But enjoy your freedom of speech, I hope none of you nor your family members will have to go through such an horrible thing.

[RichardG]

Why does everything always have to go back to Helen Wood? It's like the 'Godwin's Law' of TIBB, if a conversation goes on long enough then eventually her name will almost always appear.

We all have free speech but I think BB should be careful about who they put in the house, we don't really need those with views like Tila to gain a bigger platform to potentially spread her 'hate'. However, in this instance, it's entirely the casting team's fault for sticking her in there knowing full well of her history, so to then remove her for something that they knew about before they put her in seems a bit silly/once she was in they might as well have kept her there and if they really wanted then they could just fix the nominations to ensure she's up or whatever like they do all the time anyway

[paperprincess]

It seems a bit convenient that the producers were unaware of Tila's past indiscretions. Not everyone in the USA knows who she is, but I would guess that most of the people who do know her are aware of her crazy rantings. Aside from photoshopping herself as a Holocaust hottie she indulged in alien tales of terror and everyone's favorite 911 conspiracy theories, other things as well. A controversial eviction on the 2nd day never hurts the ratings.

I am not sure that I agree with or believe the stated reasons for booting her, but I think it's probably best that she isn't there anymore. She has a history of psychological instability and reality shows don't seem to help these issues, and while I believe in freedom of speech, I don't believe everyone is required to give bigots a platform. They have the right to say what they want and I have the to not hear them do it.

[Thotmas]

Hmmm yyyyeeer most people go through depression without being racist.

[Jack_]

This whole thing is a disgusting, pathetic, shambolic joke.

Here's what all of this boils down to. Firstly, assuming they casting directors had no idea of the controversial statements Tila has made in the past, that is quite frankly a woeful lack of research that has gone into the preparation for this series. Stop being so ****ing incompetent.

On the opposite end of the scale, if they were aware of her history regarding these issues, and yet still chose to cast her only to eject her before 24 hours had passed - potentially as a publicity stunt - this is perhaps the lowest this pack of useless ***** whom call themselves a production team have ever sunk. Let's put this into perspective here - there's a good chance that of the viewers whom had no idea who Tila was, and that's probably a majority of the audience, most of them definitely had no idea about all of this controversy in her past. So to deliberately (or even unintentionally, to be honest) cast this woman onto a television show which is going to raise her profile knowing full well of her history of depression and mental illness, only to then put all the attention on her a day later by chucking her out for comments she made two years ago when she was going through said mental illnesses, is absolutely ****ing abhorrent.

This is effectively letting somebody move on from their past, casting them on your show to show a better side of themselves, and then stopping that in its tracks to say 'hey guys, remember when she said all these things a couple of years ago? remember that! you know, when she was going through a rough patch in her life that she's now apparently overcome! here's what she said everyone!' so that she can be abused, vilified and hated all over again. This is a new low and if it's all for publicity at the expense of someone's mental health then this is grounds for an axe alone to be quite honest. This is not the way to treat another human being for the purposes of press attention, ratings or morality.

She either shouldn't have been cast in the first place if they had done their ****ing research properly, or she should have been left to enjoy her time in a programme she had been paid (and isn't anymore) to do.

Now if she had expressed opinions of this ilk inside the house then that's a different matter, however I don't think it's grounds for an immediate ejection. Most housemates receive formal warnings for making controversial and potentially offensive remarks inside the house several times before they are rightfully ejected, and if this is what led to her removal then this is what should have happened first as far as I am concerned.

And really all of this can be disregarded anyway because the bottom line of it is, if she never said anything inside the house, comments made outside of the constraints of Big Brother should not be reason to remove someone from the show. We, and the producers, are supposed to judge the actions of the housemates inside the house. That is the point of the show. If you are going to eject people for things they have done and said before the show began, especially when it's as long as two years ago, then not only have you not done your research properly you incompetent, laughably useless ****ing twats, but this show shouldn't exist.

This show is a mess. A disgusting in all senses of the word, ****ing mess