[JoshBB]

I think the song should be more inclusive to non-believers and republicans tbh so if he doesn't want to sing it, then that's fine.

[Livia]

This man turned his back on British troops returning from active service. He made quite a point of it. So I'm hardly surprised he wouldn't sing the National Anthem. No one should be worried, he'll never be PM.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I think the song should be more inclusive to non-believers and republicans tbh so if he doesn't want to sing it, then that's fine.

You're a British citizen. If you don't like it, don't sing it. This freedom you enjoy has been hard fought and hard won... don't forget that.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're a British citizen. If you don't like it, don't sing it. This freedom you enjoy has been hard fought and hard won... don't forget that.

I agree with the bold though.. which is why Corbyn has the choice to not sing that if he desires.

& also I have huge respect for the soldiers who fought in World War 2, possibly one of the only justified wars that our army has been involved in.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I agree with the bold though.. which is why Corbyn has the choice to not sing that if he desires.

& also I have huge respect for the soldiers who fought in World War 2, possibly one of the only justified wars that our army has been involved in.

Don't agree with that Josh, but we were never going to agree on that.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't agree with that Josh, but we were never going to agree on that.

Which wars do you think were justified?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Which wars do you think were justified?

Josh, wish all due respect, I am the widow of a soldier and I don't really want to engage in a discussion about war right now. Let's just say that you and I can agree to differ.

[empire]

labour are the most anti british party, that would rather sing the ussr anthem,

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Don't know why people are making it such an issue. I don't know a single word to the song (except the title).

Nobody does really, some people might know the first verse but other than that most people just murmur to it which makes this whole thing ridiculous, no one cares about the national anthem until they can use it as an excuse to get on their soapbox.

[billy123]

I am quite enjoying watching the panic amongst the right wingers. Some have really shown their true colours and left their arses hanging out and he hasnt even done anything yet.

[Josy]

If he doesn't want to sing it then that's his choice

I was thrown out of the orange hall once for not singing it and refusing to stand up whilst the rest of them sang

[arista]

Lock this thread


He will sing it
next time

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nobody does really, some people might know the first verse but other than that most people just murmur to it which makes this whole thing ridiculous, no one cares about the national anthem until they can use it as an excuse to get on their soapbox.

I really hate this national anthem of ours, to me it is really awful.

I saw no reason to sing it at this function for the Battle of Britain pilots at all, why was it even part of the proceedings.
It was a King we had when the war was on not this Queen anyway.

Why should we not have an anthem that recognises the lands and people of the British Isles and not just a very privileged person,calling for more glorification of her and then protection of her too,someone whose ancestors long ago stopped leading the Brits into wars anyway.

It belongs in the far past in my view,not having any relevance or even being appropriate to 'have' to be sung by anyone anywhere in this day and age.
Until it contains lyrics that recognise the people of these Isles not just the one person.
Pathetic and the fuss as to him not singing it is totally ridiculous.

My Dad,My Brothers were in the Army,RAF and one in the Navy,all think our National Anthem outdated and really boring to listen to,never mind sing.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

This man turned his back on British troops returning from active service. He made quite a point of it. So I'm hardly surprised he wouldn't sing the National Anthem. No one should be worried, he'll never be PM.

our anthem is a joke, but whats this story about turning his back on british troops ?

[Moosething]

Nz's anthem is better

[the truth]

now this is what I call a patriotic tune

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England’s mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England’s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear: o clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariots of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight;
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England’s green and pleasant land.

[user104658]

Best thing about our national anthem: football crowds. Because they sing part of the tune where there's no singing, cracks me up every single time.

"God save the Queeeeen
Deh neh neh neh NEH NEH LOOONG TOOOO REEEIGN OOOver us... "

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'll just copy and paste most of this from the other thread ;

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You can love this country and believe it shouldn't have a monarchy. No, more than that, you can believe that the monarchy should be dismantled BECAUSE you love this country. He's not refusing to sing the song because it's the national anthem, he's refusing to sing it for the same reason that I wouldn't sing it: because he doesn't want to sing a song of worship for a bunch of elitist, murderous villains.

It's a political catch 22... A monarchy monopoly. Essentially it's saying that you can't be properly engaged in UK politics if you refuse to acknowledge the monarchy as a valid political system. And so if you believe there shouldn't be one? Tough. Because then you're not a proper politician and so will never be in a position to try to change it. No. It's 2015 and major political factions should be able to (and just SHOULD, in my opinion) openly reject the monarchy.

I mean just look at the national anthem if you want to know why I will never sing it. It's about precisely three things. Elitism, War-mongering, and a fictional man in the sky. Not for me, thanks, not any of it. I get that some people love the cuddly old Queen, are "proud" of our country's history as bloodthirsty conquerors, and believe in said men in the sky... And that's fine... But kindly don't force your prayers upon others with the caveat that they're "treasonous" or "anti-patriotic" if they won't comply.

If all statesmen must fall in line with protocol - legitimising the monarchy - then how does one make a (meaningful) political stand against that monarchy?

I for one have had enough of cardboard cut-out politicians playing along with these outdated charades.

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Tadaaaa

If I'm being honest I cannot disagree with a single word of your post.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

now this is what I call a patriotic tune

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England’s mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England’s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear: o clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariots of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight;
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England’s green and pleasant land.

What a horrible hymn, menacing words those...
No Jesus was not here during the times of the dark satanic mills not for the poor, it was the reformists that changed things. Could ceasing to abuse workers and introducing fair rights and wages be seen as Christian... Yes, then why are the (recent)govt and the monarchy (historically) built on exploitation and the removal of civil liberties?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'Friends' of Labour Leader Jeremy Corbin 1:

1) Muslim 'Hate Activist' Abou Jahjah – now banned from the UK – who has spent a decade stirring up hatred and inciting slaughter. His very public statements and actions include:

a) Considering "every dead Dutch, British and American soldier a victory”.

b) Dubbing the 9/11 terror atrocities “sweet revenge”.

c) Attacking Europe for “Jew-worshiping”.

d) Cursed gay people as “Aids spreading fagots”.

e) Been arrested for organising an Arab riot.

f) Published twisted anti-Jewish cartoons, including one showing Adolf Hitler and 15-year-old Holocaust victim Anne Frank both naked in bed with the caption: “Write that in your diary, Anne”.

In 2009 Corbyn INVITED his FRIEND Dyab Abou Jahjah to address a meeting at the House of Commons. and also spoke at an anti-war rally alongside his friend Abou Jahjah in central London.

"In a sign that Mr Corbyn’s links to the Arab extremist are still active, only two weeks ago Abou Jahjah tweeted warm messages of support for the leftwing campaigner."

Corbyn is apparently thick as two short planks and very naive because DESPITE over a decade of Abou Jahjah's VERY PUBLIC displays of Islamic Extremism and terrorist support, a spokeswoman for the Labour Leader said:

“This is an attempt to smear Jeremy by association. The views expressed here are abhorrent.

“If they are indeed those of Dyou Abou Jahjah there is no suggestion he has said them in Jeremy’s hearing."

'Friends' of Labour Leader Jeremy Corbin 2:

1) In February 20014 Corbyn shared a platform with his friend Sayyed Hassan al-Sadr - the British 'Representative' of the Iranian-backed Mahdi Army militia, led by Muqtada al-Sadr, which killed at least 70 British soldiers and thousands of Iraqi civilians during 2004 to 2008.

The occasion was to CELEBRATE the 35th anniversary of the ayatollahs’ revolutionary takeover in Iran. In his talk, entitled “The Case for Iran,” Corbyn the Patriot:

1) Called for the immediate scrapping of sanctions on the country.

2) Attacked Iran's 'colonial exploitation' by British business

3) Called for an end to the “demonisation” of Iran's extremist regime by the West.

Need I outline the numerous other Terrorist Organisations which this creep supports and numbers as his friends?

Later perhaps. For now, here's more TRUTH about Corbyn:

1) Received thousands of pounds in gifts from organisations closely linked to the terror group Hamas, whose operatives he described as “friends”.

2) Insulted terror victims by repeatedly refusing to condemn IRA atrocities during a BBC Ulster broadcast in August 2015.

3) Travelled to Tehran at the expense of a secretive British-Iranian multi-millionaire who has employed a number of other British parliamentarians as consultants to build business links with the country.

4) From the mid 80's he tirelessly built links between the outlawed IRA and the British labour Party, inviting senior representives to parliament.

5) He has praised the IRA and stated that dead IRA members should be "honoured".

6)"In February 2013, Corbyn and his wife travelled to Gaza thanks to a £2,800 gift from Interpal, a British charity banned by the US government as “part of the funding network of Hamas” and as a terrorist organisation in its own right."

7) Corbyn has "received at least two further free trips, worth £2,450, from the Palestinian Return Centre and its subsidiary the European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, based at the PRC office in Crown House, Wembley. The PRC is said by the Israeli government to be “Hamas’s organisational branch in Europe” whose members are “senior Hamas leaders who promote the movement’s agenda in Europe.”

Need I continue? Later, perhaps - for now, I ask you to gracefully accept that my comment:

"He'd have been much happier sitting in tent somewhere in the Middle East".

Is based on well established FACT and NOT "extremist ****ing nonsense"

Thank you.

Thanks for posting this Kirk, OMG I am actually shocked did not know any of this

Looks like his allegiances lie elsewhere, in fact he does look a little treasonous and I would say absolutely cannot be the labour leader and once the above is disseminated to the public I think his days are numbered

I give him a couple of months tops.....

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'Friends' of Labour Leader Jeremy Corbin 1:

1) Muslim 'Hate Activist' Abou Jahjah – now banned from the UK – who has spent a decade stirring up hatred and inciting slaughter. His very public statements and actions include:

a) Considering "every dead Dutch, British and American soldier a victory”.

b) Dubbing the 9/11 terror atrocities “sweet revenge”.

c) Attacking Europe for “Jew-worshiping”.

d) Cursed gay people as “Aids spreading fagots”.

e) Been arrested for organising an Arab riot.

f) Published twisted anti-Jewish cartoons, including one showing Adolf Hitler and 15-year-old Holocaust victim Anne Frank both naked in bed with the caption: “Write that in your diary, Anne”.

In 2009 Corbyn INVITED his FRIEND Dyab Abou Jahjah to address a meeting at the House of Commons. and also spoke at an anti-war rally alongside his friend Abou Jahjah in central London.

"In a sign that Mr Corbyn’s links to the Arab extremist are still active, only two weeks ago Abou Jahjah tweeted warm messages of support for the leftwing campaigner."

Corbyn is apparently thick as two short planks and very naive because DESPITE over a decade of Abou Jahjah's VERY PUBLIC displays of Islamic Extremism and terrorist support, a spokeswoman for the Labour Leader said:

“This is an attempt to smear Jeremy by association. The views expressed here are abhorrent.

“If they are indeed those of Dyou Abou Jahjah there is no suggestion he has said them in Jeremy’s hearing."

'Friends' of Labour Leader Jeremy Corbin 2:

1) In February 20014 Corbyn shared a platform with his friend Sayyed Hassan al-Sadr - the British 'Representative' of the Iranian-backed Mahdi Army militia, led by Muqtada al-Sadr, which killed at least 70 British soldiers and thousands of Iraqi civilians during 2004 to 2008.

The occasion was to CELEBRATE the 35th anniversary of the ayatollahs’ revolutionary takeover in Iran. In his talk, entitled “The Case for Iran,” Corbyn the Patriot:

1) Called for the immediate scrapping of sanctions on the country.

2) Attacked Iran's 'colonial exploitation' by British business

3) Called for an end to the “demonisation” of Iran's extremist regime by the West.

Need I outline the numerous other Terrorist Organisations which this creep supports and numbers as his friends?

Later perhaps. For now, here's more TRUTH about Corbyn:

1) Received thousands of pounds in gifts from organisations closely linked to the terror group Hamas, whose operatives he described as “friends”.

2) Insulted terror victims by repeatedly refusing to condemn IRA atrocities during a BBC Ulster broadcast in August 2015.

3) Travelled to Tehran at the expense of a secretive British-Iranian multi-millionaire who has employed a number of other British parliamentarians as consultants to build business links with the country.

4) From the mid 80's he tirelessly built links between the outlawed IRA and the British labour Party, inviting senior representives to parliament.

5) He has praised the IRA and stated that dead IRA members should be "honoured".

6)"In February 2013, Corbyn and his wife travelled to Gaza thanks to a £2,800 gift from Interpal, a British charity banned by the US government as “part of the funding network of Hamas” and as a terrorist organisation in its own right."

7) Corbyn has "received at least two further free trips, worth £2,450, from the Palestinian Return Centre and its subsidiary the European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, based at the PRC office in Crown House, Wembley. The PRC is said by the Israeli government to be “Hamas’s organisational branch in Europe” whose members are “senior Hamas leaders who promote the movement’s agenda in Europe.”

Need I continue? Later, perhaps - for now, I ask you to gracefully accept that my comment:

"He'd have been much happier sitting in tent somewhere in the Middle East".

Is based on well established FACT and NOT "extremist ****ing nonsense"

Thank you.

Jeez!He's worse than i thought!

[Kizzy]

Where do these 'facts' originate?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by the truth

now this is what I call a patriotic tune

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England’s mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England’s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear: o clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariots of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight;
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England’s green and pleasant land.

Bit Anglocentric though, best left for the cricket team

[Kizzy]

And the WI...