[JoshBB]

I just feel like we haven't been provided with a lot of pro-eu arguments whereas we always seem to have Farage muttering on about bureaucrats and that 55mil figure he goes on about..

[Livia]

I'm sure there will be more information nearer the time.

[Ashley.]

Some media outlets are pro-EU and some media outlets are against it. I think it would be silly to say that the media aren't bias at all.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm sure there will be more information nearer the time.

I think so too, but currently even the BBC seem to only air the leave arguments

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Some media outlets are pro-EU and some media outlets are against it. I think it would be silly to say that the media aren't bias at all.

A little bit of bias is normally ignorable but even the BBC doesn't seem to be fair

[Livia]

I wouldn't listen to any one source, Josh. I know that you wouldn't either.

[user104658]

Once the campaign actually picks up I can almost guarantee that the media will have an overall pro-EU slant.

I'm finding myself quite divided at the moment. I think a united Europe in some form is absolutely vital in global politics going forward, however I think the current EU is a mess, and a tangled one at that, that probably can't be fixed without stripping it right back to the core values.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Once the campaign actually picks up I can almost guarantee that the media will have an overall pro-EU slant.

I'm finding myself quite divided at the moment. I think a united Europe in some form is absolutely vital in global politics going forward, however I think the current EU is a mess, and a tangled one at that, that probably can't be fixed without stripping it right back to the core values.

I agree. The EU is getting lost in itself.

[kirklancaster]

Is the entire Medical Profession biased against the tobacco industry because not one of them publicly advocates smoking?

The Medical Profession do not advocate smoking because there are NO benefits in smoking - only harm.

Similarly, the Media are strangely silent on promoting our remaining in the the EU, because - after more than 40 years - not only has it become glaringly apparent that there are NO benefits to us remaining in the EU, but it is also becoming that much more difficult to 'con' the public that there are.

Perhaps even the pro-EU press feel silence now is better than egg-on-face later.

As for; "Farage muttering on..." You would do well to heed the voice of 'One Crying In The Wilderness':

I once got lost in Somerset and asked over a dozen people one after the other where a certain village was - they all ignored me or said they "Didn't know". Finally, one old man who looked like Wurzel Gummidge and was actually chewing on a piece of straw gave me directions. As I thanked him, one of those who had offered me no help, whispered in my ear: "You don't want to take any notice of him, he's the village idiot". I smiled and said; "Yeah, sure, but he knows his geography".

I followed the 'idiot's instructions and arrived at my destination quickly and safely.

Here endeth the lesson.

[Ninastar]

The media is biased in all ways. You get far-left companies, you get far-right companies... it's all incredibly unfair. It seems like an unbiased news station is impossible to find, sadly.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Is the entire Medical Profession biased against the tobacco industry because not one of them publicly advocates smoking?

The Medical Profession do not advocate smoking because there are NO benefits in smoking - only harm.

Similarly, the Media are strangely silent on promoting our remaining in the the EU, because - after more than 40 years - not only has it become glaringly apparent that there are NO benefits to us remaining in the EU, but it is also becoming that much more difficult to 'con' the public that there are.

Perhaps even the pro-EU press feel silence now is better than egg-on-face later.

As for; "Farage muttering on..." You would do well to heed the voice of 'One Crying In The Wilderness':

I once got lost in Somerset and asked over a dozen people one after the other where a certain village was - they all ignored me or said they "Didn't know". Finally, one old man who looked like Wurzel Gummidge and was actually chewing on a piece of straw gave me directions. As I thanked him, one of those who had offered me no help, whispered in my ear: "You don't want to take any notice of him, he's the village idiot". I smiled and said; "Yeah, sure, but he knows his geography".

I followed the 'idiot's instructions and arrived at my destination quickly and safely.

Here endeth the lesson.

Is the lesson that Farage is an idiot?

[Northern Monkey]

Eventually equilibrium will be found.After the pendulum has swung both ways.

[the truth]

I don't care what the media is, im against it. the EU is now a disaster. id rather withdraw and stay only as a trading partner. the worst part is the constitution and the euro. its also insane to have the leader of one country as leader of the eu at the same time

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I just feel like we haven't been provided with a lot of pro-eu arguments whereas we always seem to have Farage muttering on about bureaucrats and that 55mil figure he goes on about..

We will never get a balanced presentation by the media Josh.

That is the problem with this whole referendum.
Voters will be bombarded with others 'opinions' on the EU not real facts on both sides.

Many will feel unable to make a decision as to how to vote likely too.
Which will give a likely distorted vote when it comes, with few who were undecided totally, little the wiser as to the benefits or disadvantages of being in the EU.

I have never believed now with our media and the split in each main parties as to the EU that we as voters would ever be able to given a factual presentation as to membership of the EU.

[user104658]

This is true, I'm not sure it's right for a referendum at all. Unlike say the indy referendum or a general election, I don't think anyone who isn't quite deeply interested / engaged in politics will have much grasp of what in / out actually means and I don't think the media is going to provide an objective explanation of what people are actually being asked to vote on.

To be honest, I expect voting percentage on the issue will be rather on the low side...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I will distil the entire pro-eu argument for you in one sentence

"careful now, it could be bad for business if we leave "


You will hear this point made over and over in the coming months

do not expect to find out why

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I will distil the entire pro-eu argument for you in one sentence

"careful now, it could be bad for business if we leave "


You will hear this point made over and over in the coming months

do not expect to find out why

(I know you dislike 3 claps )

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I will distil the entire pro-eu argument for you in one sentence

"careful now, it could be bad for business if we leave "


You will hear this point made over and over in the coming months

do not expect to find out why

I think more needs to be done by the pro-EU politicians, since they don't realise we can always join the EFTA or make our own trade agreements.

Having said that, I really like the EU and what it has achieved. I've been learning of WW2, Berlin Wall, and the Cold War.. and I think it's amazing how these 3 appalling horrendous things managed to bring Europe together into a union. It would be very unlikely that I would ever vote to leave (even though I'll be 17 at the time and narrowly miss out! )

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I think more needs to be done by the pro-EU politicians, since they don't realise we can always join the EFTA or make our own trade agreements.

Having said that, I really like the EU and what it has achieved. I've been learning of WW2, Berlin Wall, and the Cold War.. and I think it's amazing how these 3 appalling horrendous things managed to bring Europe together into a union. It would be very unlikely that I would ever vote to leave (even though I'll be 17 at the time and narrowly miss out! )

You should get a vote in my view, it is a disgrace that you will be able to vote in the next general election but be excluded from this major decision as to your future and the future of your Country.

I actually also think the referendum should be held on local election day and really it would have been better to have it all done and held at the general election, to only maximise turnout at least.

I fear this referendum is going to be very badly planned, unfairly selective as to who votes in it and held way outside other election times, that it could mean a much smaller turnout which in turn will likely result in a distorted and unrepresentative view of all UK citizens.

I also want to see a checklist of what it is that this PM is actually seeking to reform and what he wants as a result.
How are we to measure if he has had any success if we haven't a clue what his items are or what he needs to win as concessions.

Add to that the biased views the voters will get from one side and the other, while the real facts and vital information as to the EU get lost in the media crossfire between the 2 sides, then this is a very dangerous referendum for the UK indeed, in my opinion.