[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes, researchers who have nothing better to do but try to theorise the world we live in in and its people in work you can't be bothered to read in order to make sense of it and try to be a progressive force for change

You can have all your stubborn 'I can't be bothered to comprehend this because it's stretches beyond what I've been taught so it must be crap!' attitude all you want. It's just a bunch of people on an internet forum who fail to understand basic societal concepts who whine on about not understanding it and so refute and ridicule it rather ironically

Is this how serious debates is supposed to work?

Wow - Pot and Kettle.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nobody chooses their sexuality. You're born gay, straight or somewhere in between and nothing can impact or change that.

People coming out later in life will not have chosen to be bi/gay, they would have just repressed that side of themselves.

Exactly this.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You won't feel that your sexuality was nurtured though or be able to pin point specific things that helped develop it, of course not. Just as you won't be able to recall specific things that created your mannerisms, your interests, your style choices, your personality, etc etc. It's not something you can really look back on and correlate saying 'yeah that caused that and x caused y', it just happens without you even knowing.

When people realise they are gay, even when they're very young, that is because their sexuality has been formed in the early years of their life. I'm sorry but I really can't buy into the notion that you're sat in the womb, or even as far back as being part sperm part egg, and already you're gagging for the d or v. Or both. Babies are the the furthest thing from sexualised you can get.

Then you are in direct opposition to the latest 'Scientific' views:

http://http://www.pinknews.co.uk/201...nd-the-answer/

There are numerous 'Scientific' 'Papers' and 'Reports' out there which all reach a similar conclusion - Gays are BORN this way.

For me people who practice a certain type of 'homosexuality' because they have been 'conditioned' into such from being children, are not REALLY gay - just 'perverted' straights.

A feral child raised in the wild by dogs/wolves (real cases) howl, walk on all fours and eat raw meat, but they remain HUMAN.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by letmein

Please don't bring up pedophilia in a thread about homosexuality. Thanks.

[Ashley.]

Apparently everyone's got a streak of homosexuality in them, one of my co-workers said today.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Apparently everyone's got a streak of homosexuality in them, one of my co-workers said today.

I think that is perfectly true.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Apparently everyone's got a streak of homosexuality in them, one of my co-workers said today.

I've heard that too. Possibly it's linked in with the Kinsey scale?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Apparently everyone's got a streak of homosexuality in them, one of my co-workers said today.

the standard line when someone got drunk and gave someone a handjob in a bush

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I've heard that too. Possibly it's linked in with the Kinsey scale?

Possibly, I'm sure I remember learning about this at school.

I always think about it in percentages. Everyone's at least 1% homosexual. I wouldn't doubt it tbh.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the standard line when someone got drunk and gave someone a handjob in a bush

As long as I'm the one receiving the handjob - 'I'll buy that for a dollar'.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the standard line when someone got drunk and gave someone a handjob in a bush

Well they do say it's about 6 pints between straight and gay.

[Crimson Dynamo]

my only gay bit is being on this site. only me, the truth sticks and arista are straight

even kirk is on the turn


...but we just have the one lesbianasexual.....

[Marsh.]

I have my doubts about the truth. He hates vagina.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I have my doubts about the truth. He hates vagina.

could he be an angry gay?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

could he be an angry gay?

The worst.

I've seen Cucumber.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Marsh.]

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

omg i never realised how outdated that movie looks til now

[AProducer'sWetDream]

In my opinion (as a gay person) we are not (at least not all of us) born gay. That's not to say you have any choice in the matter or can change it. But I believe that your sexuality is determined, like most other aspects of our personality, by our upbringing, memories, experiences, environment etc.

I think this happens very early on as I cannot remember a time I ever had an interest in girls, but I don't think there is a 'gay gene'. I'm happy to be proven wrong, though!

[TomC]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

In my opinion (as a gay person) we are not (at least not all of us) born gay. That's not to say you have any choice in the matter or can change it. But I believe that your sexuality is determined, like most other aspects of our personality, by our upbringing, memories, experiences, environment etc.

I think this happens very early on as I cannot remember a time I ever had an interest in girls, but I don't think there is a 'gay gene'. I'm happy to be proven wrong, though!

This is my stance, and you've put it nicely!

[letmein]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

In my opinion (as a gay person) we are not (at least not all of us) born gay. That's not to say you have any choice in the matter or can change it. But I believe that your sexuality is determined, like most other aspects of our personality, by our upbringing, memories, experiences, environment etc.

I think this happens very early on as I cannot remember a time I ever had an interest in girls, but I don't think there is a 'gay gene'. I'm happy to be proven wrong, though!

Well, I can confirm that your opinion is wrong.

You're welcome.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Don't you just love well reasoned arguments!

[letmein]

Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow

Why can it only be answered by gay people? What about scientists who research it? The answer is yes in your opinion.

What if it's neither in the womb or genetics? What if it develops through early childhood? There's no scientific proof of a right answer at this stage.



Yes, but how is this to do with sexuality?

Sexuality is hardwired. There are health benefits to sex. In order for the human race to survive, we need to reproduce. The reason why we masturbate is to let off steam as to not kill one another. Sex also socializes species. Children are also sexual beings. Boys have erections in the womb. Children explore their private parts. Anyone who's studied Freud understands this. Homosexuality takes place in the animal kingdom as well. These are not taught traits. They're biological. It's coded.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by letmein

Sexuality is hardwired. There are health benefits to sex. In order for the human race to survive, we need to reproduce. The reason why we masturbate is to let off steam as to not kill one another. Sex also socializes species. Children are also sexual beings. Boys have erections in the womb. Children explore their private parts. Anyone who's studied Freud understands this. Homosexuality takes place in the animal kingdom as well. These are not taught traits. They're biological. It's coded.

Anyone who's studied Freud will know that many psychologists dispute his conclusions about sex and sexuality, which used data gathered mostly from unreliable and ungeneralsible case studies of people who knew, understood and supported his work. His views on homosexuality were inconsistent, and at one point he stated that all humans were born bisexual, which would suggest that people who identify as either completely heterosexual or homosexual would have had to develop this throughout their early childhood.

Surely Freud supported the nurture side of the debate, believing that children initially want to copulate with their mothers before environmental factors caused them to direct their libido elsewhere?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Surely Freud supported the nurture side of the debate, believing that children initially want to copulate with their mothers before environmental factors caused them to direct their libido elsewhere?

I should specify male children, I'm not sure about his views on female sexuality.