[DemolitionRed]

Is this man really fit to be our PM any more?

[MTVN]

I think this is what you call a loaded question

I will just say that no, he will not be the ruin of the country and leave it at that

[Kizzy]

I'll say no ..........doubt about it.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'll say no ..........doubt about it.

[Tom4784]

He's one of the worst PMs we've ever had, Let's hope he gets a vote of no confidence sooner rather than later.

[joeysteele]

I would have said he was never fit to run the country,I never believed his so called dedication to the NHS which was why I could not vote for him in 2010.

Since then as to judgement of people and policies,I have seen nothing really to alter my view of him.
Then the rotten heartlessness this govt,led by him has shown to the sick,disabled, and most vulnerable should be against peoples human rights in my view.

However,he has narrowly this time just escaped presiding over the break up of the United Kingdom had Scotland voted for same.
However that still may yet be something he faces again before he clears off for good.

He could also yet sleepwalk the UK out of the EU which in my view would be a total disaster taking the UK into a whole uncharted territory in the World with no guarantees of security as to same.
So yes he has the most potential of any Prime Minister post war to be the ruin of the United Kingdom and the Nations that make up the UK.


His bad judgements and worst of all his procrastination as to making policy on a whim and planning it for the far future, hoping it will somehow disappear is not a trait a PM should have and for me,I say unreservedly,he has discredited as to any decency,(with his policies for the weakest in society), the office of PM of the United Kingdom.

[Kizzy]

I'd like to hear a few positives... All I've heard is redirection, spin and downright lies.
What's good about a conservative govt, what have we gotten, achieved or proven?

[lewis111]

He's not great but he's not Donald Trump, we could have worse
And it depends what you mean by "country" as some may see that as the people, pay gaps, food bank usage etc. and some may see that as how well the country is doing business wise and economically if you know what I mean

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lewis111

He's not great but he's not Donald Trump, we could have worse
And it depends what you mean by "country" as some may see that as the people, pay gaps, food bank usage etc. and some may see that as how well the country is doing business wise and economically if you know what I mean

ahh the easy don trump cheap laughs.....at least he wouldn't sell us out to the chinese

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lewis111

He's not great but he's not Donald Trump, we could have worse
And it depends what you mean by "country" as some may see that as the people, pay gaps, food bank usage etc. and some may see that as how well the country is doing business wise and economically if you know what I mean

Ok let's take economically wise, how are we doing. Even if you ignore people wise are we doing well?

[King Gizzard]

Osbourne more so

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Osbourne more so

I don't think there is anything or at best very much between the two of them but yes I agree.

[MTVN]

Yeah Osborne's legacy will be bigger than Camerons. He's the brains behind economic policy, most of their long-term policies and is likely to be next leader.

Cameron will go down as an average Prime Minister IMO. He has overseen a solid - though by no means bulletproof - recovery, sought to modernise the party through initiatives like gay marriage and increased female representation, and overall been a very pragmatic leader who has ensured stable government even in a coalition. At other times its true that he has dithered, had several fiascos like tax credits and the Syria vote, he seems to lack any real convictions and he hasn't been able to fulfil a lot of his stated aims

An average leader? Yes. I can even see the case for people who would say he is a bad one. But ruin of the country? That's just sensationalism, and its not a view that would find much credence in any serious commentary.

[user104658]

He's helped to craft the mirage of a recovery MTVN; to call it "solid" is, at the very least, jumping the gun. Let's look back on it in ten years and then judge what sort of a recovery we've had, if any.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He's helped to craft the mirage of a recovery MTVN; to call it "solid" is, at the very least, jumping the gun. Let's look back on it in ten years and then judge what sort of a recovery we've had, if any.

All things considered it is fairly solid, and compared to the rest of Europe we're in ok shape. Its not completely secure no but then it's hard to have any recovery that is that secure when we're as exposed as we are to world markets and the global economy, and that's just a fact of life now really.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah Osborne's legacy will be bigger than Camerons. He's the brains behind economic policy, most of their long-term policies and is likely to be next leader.

Cameron will go down as an average Prime Minister IMO. He has overseen a solid - though by no means bulletproof - recovery, sought to modernise the party through initiatives like gay marriage and increased female representation, and overall been a very pragmatic leader who has ensured stable government even in a coalition. At other times its true that he has dithered, had several fiascos like tax credits and the Syria vote, he seems to lack any real convictions and he hasn't been able to fulfil a lot of his stated aims

An average leader? Yes. I can even see the case for people who would say he is a bad one. But ruin of the country? That's just sensationalism, and its not a view that would find much credence in any serious commentary.

I beg to differ, I'd say judging by the evidence of what's happened to the country since the election the rest of his term fills me with dread, I don't think we've seen anything yet.

[the truth]

hes not as bad as blair and brown but he had the ability perhaps an certainly the opportunity to make things a lot better....but hes really playing a bad hand lately........tax credits disaster....disability bashing disaster...Europe hes all over the place but hes really a euro sheep and wants us to stay in , but hes failing to fight for our rights
his one size all benefit is a disaster, his housing benefit payments direct to tenants is a disaster...then again welsh labour are even worse....theyre demanding 3 different landlord licenses...theyre cutting the nhs budget, covering up the failures..theyve even taken over the Cardiff airport with dreadful results? wales is basically a communist failure now.....the welsh gdp per head is now the lowest in Europe
neither tories or welsh labour have don't anything to help the industries or agriculture...were enslaved to massive cororations and the Chinese

both parties are a failure for the sick, the disabled, the elderly and the lowly paid

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah Osborne's legacy will be bigger than Camerons. He's the brains behind economic policy, most of their long-term policies and is likely to be next leader.

Cameron will go down as an average Prime Minister IMO. He has overseen a solid - though by no means bulletproof - recovery, sought to modernise the party through initiatives like gay marriage and increased female representation, and overall been a very pragmatic leader who has ensured stable government even in a coalition. At other times its true that he has dithered, had several fiascos like tax credits and the Syria vote, he seems to lack any real convictions and he hasn't been able to fulfil a lot of his stated aims

An average leader? Yes. I can even see the case for people who would say he is a bad one. But ruin of the country? That's just sensationalism, and its not a view that would find much credence in any serious commentary.

Thanks to fudged employment numbers.

Sure, they can say "look at all these people back in work" but really, we all know that most of those people are on Ł2.80 per hour "apprenticeships" or putting people who cannot find a job into "workfare placements", with both of these schemes meaning less people being payed the full legal minimum wage. The recovery is pure bull****, and everyone knows it, we never really left the recession, we just learned how to pause it.

[bots]

David Cameron is a figurehead for the tory party, and more than that, he will only be pm for about another year or so, so, no he won't. As a tory supporter, i don't like Cameron, but lets be quite frank, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were much more sinister with respect to the economy, personal liberties and many more aspects of our daily lives. Blair also led the way on the corruption that is now prevalent amongst our mp's.

What the tories have done since coming to power has been tame compared to the previous labour government.

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think this is what you call a loaded question

I will just say that no, he will not be the ruin of the country and leave it at that

Bang On Right

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I beg to differ, I'd say judging by the evidence of what's happened to the country since the election the rest of his term fills me with dread, I don't think we've seen anything yet.

It fills me with dismay that whatever the recovery is which is in the main service based, which is often the weakest recoveries you get,that it is hailed a success when people who are most vulnerable sick and disabled are having their real funding cut.
As well as being demoralised with stupid form filling with some of the most ridiculous questions possible, and pathetic re-assessments of their health, people with terminal cancer being wheeled into the centres to be interviewed b a so called jumped up professional, wearing them down with questions.
I seen it and been appalled by it.
I am filled with fear for those people at the prospect of any more time with this heartless bunch of cowards who can only hit the weakest,never mind nearly 5 more years of them.

I go back to the point I made before, he almost presided over the Scots leaving what is the UK,by his rushing to try to pacify his extreme element as to the EU, and promising a referendum. he has now for the last 2 years and maybe 2 years more, cast a cloud over our membership of the EU.
A referendum, which were it be a vote to leave and I can see that being carried by the more selfish element of voters in the far South of England,then that could trigger the Scots to another independence referendum.

I said he had the potential to be the ruin of the UK,well if the vote was to leave the EU,then the Scots hold another independence vote and vote to split the UK.
Then he will not just have presided over ruining the UK but will have destroyed it, as without Scotland there really is no UK left in reality.

History I feel pretty sure will with full analysis wonder why this man could ever get to hold the highest office in the Country and IF, what I say above could happen does, then he will surely go down as the man who wrecked the United Kingdom that we have had for hundreds of years.

It always mystifies me how it can be talked about a recovery,when this man is in part building that recovery off the backs off the sick,disabled and most vulnerable by taking off them.
In any decent society,that should be unacceptable anywhere, anytime, anyhow.

[waterhog]

he will not ruin this country but create a bigger divide between the rich and the poor which in turn makes a angry society which is in no way in the best interest of the country.

the rich will get richer but that happened under labor as well.

[lostalex]

Considering the history of Britain, i seriously doubt he is strong, powerful or clever enough to "ruin" the UK. The Uk has made some seriously big blunders, committed atrocities on a giant scale, and suffered HUGE setbacks in the past. Cameron is small potatoes considering the scale of problems Britain has faced in the past. i am confident, that the UK (as well as the US and most of western Europe) has faced much more trying times in the past, and he could'nt "ruin" the UK even if he was actually trying to. That is the power of democracy.

Did George Bush "ruin" the US? no, we are still the strongest nation in the world and getting stronger everyday. If W Bush couldn't "ruin" the US, the worst president in modern American history, then Cameron doesn't even have a chance of "ruining" the UK.

now Corbyn??? that's a different question. there is something about him that seems more sinister.

[DemolitionRed]

Wow, this threads really taken off.
Thanks for all the interesting responses. I'll join in once my working days over.

[kirklancaster]

For the sake of brevity - just TWO words; 'VIABLE' and 'ALTERNATIVE'.