[arista]

So Will Some Labour
and the SNP stop the PM on a Vote.


To be honest the 6 planes that may bomb Syria
are not needed
as USA , Russia and France have it covered,


SkyNewsHD just reported
estimated 60 Labour MP's would back the Vote to Air Bomb.

http://news.sky.com/story/1591572/un...t-by-all-means

[joeysteele]

Excellent news and for me the PM if he makes the case for action now should be supported as to it, still allowing people to follow their own consciences on the issue however.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

So Will Some Labour
and the SNP stop the PM on a Vote.


To be honest the 6 planes that may bomb Syria
are not needed
as USA , Russia and France have it covered,


SkyNewsHD just reported
estimated 60 Labour MP's would back the Vote to Air Bomb.

http://news.sky.com/story/1591572/un...t-by-all-means

Great news Arista. At last the 'Paper Tiger' which has been the UN has gotten stripes and grown teeth and is roaring.

Let's wipe these ******* vermin demons from the face of the Earth.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Excellent news and for me the PM if he makes the case for action now should be supported as to it, still allowing people to follow their own consciences on the issue however.

100% in agreement Joey.

[arista]

"Let's wipe these ******* vermin demons from the face of the Earth. "


I do not think that will happen
as its a ideology thats wrong
they have no Nation
just Spread all over the World

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

"Let's wipe these ******* vermin demons from the face of the Earth. "


I do not think that will happen
as its a ideology thats wrong
they have no Nation
just Spread all over the World

Maybe so Arista - So let's just spread them further all over the world -- as in vapourised.

[bots]

Russia says it has intensified its air raids on what it calls "terrorist" targets in Syria and raised to 69 the number of its aircraft there.
But President Vladimir Putin said the current level of attacks was not enough to defeat so-called Islamic State (IS).
Russia said it fired cruise missiles for a fourth day against IS targets. The long-range missiles were launched from Caspian Sea warships.
Some missiles hit IS in strategically important Deir al-Zour, reports say.
The IS-held town in eastern Syria lies between the IS self-proclaimed capital of Raqqa and territory that the jihadists also control in neighbouring Iraq.
Deir al-Zour province is also rich in oil.
The Russian military says it fired 18 cruise missiles on Friday, destroying seven "Islamist" targets in Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo provinces.
Col Patrick Ryder, a spokesman for US Central Command, said the Russian air strikes in recent days targeted more IS areas, including the group's oil infrastructure.
But he added that "the majority of Russian air strikes are still against moderate Syrian opposition forces, which is clearly concerning, and those strikes are in support of the Syrian regime" of President Bashar al-Assad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34882503

[Northern Monkey]

Can't see Corbyn agreeing to that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Can't see Corbyn agreeing to that.

I think the 'U' Turn' King will not agree now, but in a week or so when enough behind the scenes pressure as been brought to bear on him, he will agree.

[kirklancaster]

I think the 'U' Turn' King will not agree now, but in a week or so when enough behind the scenes pressure has been brought to bear on him, he will agree.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Can't see Corbyn agreeing to that.

But how can he stop 60 of his MP's
voting for Air Bombing

[Denver]

All countries need to get together and attack Syria/Iraq from all borders and corner the bastards

[Vicky.]

I don't think this bombing and stuff does any good. It will risk lives, but I really do feel we need feet on the ground in these countries. By endlessly dropping bombs, we cannot be sure we are not killing innocents, while it may not be reported, I am quite sure a fair few have been killed recently.

Corbyn could not defeat this in a vote, IMO. Too many of his party agree with it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think this bombing and stuff does any good. It will risk lives, but I really do feel we need feet on the ground in these countries. By endlessly dropping bombs, we cannot be sure we are not killing innocents, while it may not be reported, I am quite sure a fair few have been killed recently.

Corbyn could not defeat this in a vote, IMO. Too many of his party agree with it.

The bombing is still doing more to prevent innocent lives being lost than well the terrorists who actually TARGET innocents... also the chaos on the ground with troops means they don't have as much control either. the drones and bombings actually helps reduce civilian casualties, but of course there will always be some, because the ISIS troops surround themselves with women and children. and a lot of those women choose to be ISIS fighters too, they specifically want to marry ISIS men because they believe in the cause. how many women have we seen specifically traveling there to marry ISIS men, so they are not innocent civilians really just because they are women.

[lewis111]

I don't see the point in bombing a little. Just puts a bigger target on our back, either try to wipe out a lot of ISIS or leave it, but don't leave it we can't just sit back

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by lewis111

I don't see the point in bombing a little. Just puts a bigger target on our back, either try to wipe out a lot of ISIS or leave it, but don't leave it we can't just sit back

I'm pretty sure the target is already on our back...and it can't get any bigger, the target is already as big as it can be.

[DemolitionRed]

Well lets hope our bombings are more strategic than the Russians.

This site brings news directly out of Syria. Its translation is sometimes poor but it allows you to see what's happening from Syrian journalism http://www.raqqa-sl.com/en/?p=1515

[user104658]

it won't work. I mean this is all very rousing and trumpets and "let's get 'em" and all that but... Yeah. It won't work. Can we sticky this thread or something? It's OK I'll just bookmark it on Firefox, specifically so that I can come back in a year or two after all of the bombing / military action, when we're no further along and probably mourning another similar or worse situation to Paris, and I'm going to quote this post and say " told you it wouldn't work".

[lostalex]

PSHHH, the UN. **** off UN. what are they gonna do? We all know it's up to NATO and the Russians to deal with it. The UN has no significant Military force, they ave "peacekeepers" and those peacekeepers just seem to show up and rape children if you've been following the news of all the child rapes among "peacekeepers" in the past few years.

The UN can go **** themselves.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lewis111

I don't see the point in bombing a little. Just puts a bigger target on our back, either try to wipe out a lot of ISIS or leave it, but don't leave it we can't just sit back

Yes let's try to wipe out a lot of a multinational guerilla organisation with multiple, self-sustaining, independent cells in every major city in the world by bombing some dusty towns and patches of desert. This is the best plan ever, I don't know why no one thought of it before?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes let's try to wipe out a lot of a multinational guerilla organisation with multiple, self-sustaining, independent cells in every major city in the world by bombing some dusty towns and patches of desert. This is the best plan ever, I don't know why no one thought of it before?

they have grabbed land and declared a state of their own, that can be attacked and it will have benefits. Organisations like IS gain traction for a number of reasons, and similarly it will be a number of combined actions that will cause it to lose that traction until it fizzles out.

Every complex problem can be broken down in to a number of simpler issues, and when all the issues are addressed, the problem is solved. Bombing is just one technique amongst many, but it is still necessary to halt the IS expansion, and remove the resources it has captured and is profiting from.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they have grabbed land and declared a state of their own, that can be attacked and it will have benefits. Organisations like IS gain traction for a number of reasons, and similarly it will be a number of combined actions that will cause it to lose that traction until it fizzles out.

Every complex problem can be broken down in to a number of simpler issues, and when all the issues are addressed, the problem is solved. Bombing is just one technique amongst many, but it is still necessary to halt the IS expansion, and remove the resources it has captured and is profiting from.

We'll see when I bump the thread in 2017 when it's inevitably all further descended into ****, I suppose.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they have grabbed land and declared a state of their own, that can be attacked and it will have benefits. Organisations like IS gain traction for a number of reasons, and similarly it will be a number of combined actions that will cause it to lose that traction until it fizzles out.

Every complex problem can be broken down in to a number of simpler issues, and when all the issues are addressed, the problem is solved. Bombing is just one technique amongst many, but it is still necessary to halt the IS expansion, and remove the resources it has captured and is profiting from.

Probably the post of the thread.

[joeysteele]

It should be a free vote in the Commons so all MPs can vote as and with their consciences, ironically I think the majority would be a bigger one for action if that was the way the vote was done.

[lostalex]

can't we get a hold of the chinese manufactures that make Korans, and put some kind of poison in them?

we should find a way to make the toxic religion ACTUALLY TOXIC.