[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You posted the thumbs smile, I responded back with it to reinforce my point is all Marsh.

Right, which is entirely different to the comment I made about Johnny's use of the joker.

I'm sticking to the topic in my debate with Girth so I'll leave this off topic conversation here.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No, Johnny,not because religion was brought up,because people can't accept that some people believe in something they don't.

Well for me personally i am all for people believing in whatever it is that they want to believe in Kaz. I have no problem with any of it. The OP was stating their own preference on that video clip. Some agreed with it and some didn't agree but just because people hold different points of view to one another it should not get in the way of their friendship especially on here etc.
Live and let live...

I've been on the other end of it simply for being an athiest. Let me explain...
Many religious people in my experience of them hold the belief that athiests hate religion with a vengance. This is simply not true. Being athiest is a lack of belief of any religion. So you cannot actually hate someone or something that you don't believe existed in the first place.
I've seen many things on this forum about athiests not having a purpose in life or that they don't believe in anything at all. I've even had people of faith offer to pray for me! lol Silly i know but people take that path when the reality for me here as an athiest is that i am living right now in this world in realtime. I also believe that i have real purpose in my life and yes i do not pray or believe in any gods. I do not ask for their permission to be a good person through prayer. I can be and am a good person without it as are many others. I also don't feel the need to sit in anykind of church to feel loved either cos i have that in abundance from my family and friends all around me and especially from those two cute little dogs that i walk in the park.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, because I asked you how much of it you had watched to come to your views about how Songs of Praise is promo for Christianity.

I didnt need to watch too much to conclude that a broadcast of a religious ceremony was a celebration of Christianity.

I take it that it was your own viewing of the programme that led you to your conclusion? Therefore I was questioning what it was about the show that fell into "promotion".

The fact that it was a Christian ceremony.

I never said it was a "ratings winner" but it clearly has a loyal audience of Christians in this predominantly Christian country. Will there be many viewers for a show broadcasting a Buddhist mass in the UK, as an example? Doubtful.

I also doubt there are many Buddhists who converted after watching an advert in a cinema.

If you want religion go and find it. I dont think people should expect any religious coverage on Tv or in cinemas.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I didnt need to watch too much to conclude that a broadcast of a religious ceremony was a celebration of Christianity.

The fact that it was a Christian ceremony.

I also doubt there are too many Buddhists who converted after watching an advert in a cinema.

An advert being entirely different to a "celebration of christianity".

The advert posted in the OP for commercial purposes is entirely different to a programme intended to be about christianity.

People tend to know what Songs of Praise is about so either are interested, watch it or don't bother with it. If its purpose is promotion then it's failed.

If its purpose is to provide a once a week show for people who enjoy it then it's done great for the last 54 years.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

If you want religion go and find it. I dont think people should expect any religious coverage on Tv or in cinemas.

In that vein, if people want to enjoy a murder mystery they should go and find it. Why should it be covered on TV or in cinemas for people to choose to enjoy it?

Again, I always thought religious people were the intolerant ones.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

An advert being entirely different to a "celebration of christianity".

The advert posted in the OP for commercial purposes is entirely different to a programme intended to be about christianity.

People tend to know what Songs of Praise is about so either are interested, watch it or don't bother with it. If its purpose is promotion then it's failed.

If its purpose is to provide a once a week show for people who enjoy it then it's done great for the last 54 years.

A celebration of a belief system is promotion of that belief system IMO

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

A celebration of a belief system is promotion of that belief system IMO

Well, we'll agree to disagree.

However, if you believe that, it wouldn't even be intrusive promotion like the cinema ad proposed in the OP. So, what's wrong with it?

People still have the choice to watch it or not. SOP is not forced on anyone.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

In that vein, if people want to enjoy a murder mystery they should go and find it. Why should it be covered on TV or in cinemas for people to choose to enjoy it?

Again, I always thought religious people were the intolerant ones.

We're now right back to where we started. Murder mystery is definitely fiction and is never promoted as true, religious teachings are promoted as true.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

We're now right back to where we started. Murder mystery is definitely fiction and is never promoted as true, religious teachings are promoted as true.

Yeah, I'm always seeing trailers on BBC One advertising the "truth" on SOP every Sunday. Telling everyone who thinks any differently they are wrong.

Oh wait, they don't.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, I'm always seeing trailers on BBC One advertising the "truth" on SOP every Sunday. Telling everyone who thinks any differently they are wrong.

Oh wait, they don't.

Again, not sure how you got there

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, we'll agree to disagree.

However, if you believe that, it wouldn't even be intrusive promotion like the cinema ad proposed in the OP. So, what's wrong with it?

People still have the choice to watch it or not. SOP is not forced on anyone.

It kind of is, as its on terrestial TV in a decent spot.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Again, not sure how you got there

Songs of Praise is promoting Christianity as true and real?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

It kind of is, as its on terrestial TV in a decent spot.

I don't agree with that,there are hundreds of TV channels,plus a off and on switch,so how is that anyway 'forced'?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

It kind of is, as its on terrestial TV in a decent spot.

Because the only option for anyone to do at 4pm on a Sunday is watch BBC One?

When they could watch any of the hundreds of other channels or take part in anything in their life that may not involve television?

I suppose Eastenders being given a decent spot four times a week is forcing people to watch soap operas too?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Songs of Praise is promoting Christianity as true and real?

You made the Murder Mystery analogy.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You made the Murder Mystery analogy.

Right, because murder mystery shows don't preach to people who don't enjoy them anymore than Songs of Praise focuses on advertising themselves to non believers.

Both types of programmes tend to focus on people who already enjoy it.

"Preaching to the converted" I think they call it.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because the only option for anyone to do at 4pm on a Sunday is watch BBC One?

When they could watch any of the hundreds of other channels or take part in anything in their life that may not involve television?

I suppose Eastenders being given a decent spot four times a week is forcing people to watch soap operas too?

People have loads of options but on the main terrestrial channels at around the time of evening mass is a religious ceremony. I'm sure its just a a coincidence.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

People have loads of options but on the main terrestrial channels at around the time of evening mass is a religious ceremony. I'm sure its just a a coincidence.

A religious mass broadcast at the actual time a religious mass would be taking place? Surely not?

But, I still don't see what that's got to do with it? Many shows covering many subjects have regular prime slots in the TV schedules. Why single this show out?

If any person of a different religion or an atheist finds their Sundays spoiled by watching Songs of Praise every week then they have no one but themselves to blame. TURN IT OFF. Free will and all that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Right, which is entirely different to the comment I made about Johnny's use of the joker.

I'm sticking to the topic in my debate with Girth so I'll leave this off topic conversation here.

Different, him using a joker to make a point and you using thumbs to mock me?
I see your point.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Different, him using a joker to make a point and you using thumbs to mock me?
I see your point.

I didn't use the thumbs to mock you.

But as I said I have no interest in entering yet another debate about the way in which you have interpreted my posts. That's your problem, not mine.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

anymore than Songs of Praise focuses on advertising themselves to non believers. Both types of programmes tend to focus on people who already enjoy it.

Again I think we will have to agree to disagree. It not in your face marketing but as I've said before there is a reason why its on at about the same time as evening mass.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Again I think we will have to agree to disagree. It not in your face marketing but as I've said before there is a reason why its on at about the same time as evening mass.

Would you like to elaborate on this reason?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I didn't use the thumbs to mock you.

But as I said I have no interest in entering yet another debate about the way in which you have interpreted my posts. That's your problem, not mine.

You accused him of mocking and they balk at someone accusing you?
That's a bit rich.
How can you act so shocked at me interpreting your comments the way I have when you insist on using the most mocking smiles to reinforce whatever you say?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Would you like to elaborate on this reason?

Why not broadcast it on a different day when it was easier to miss?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You accused him of mocking and they balk at someone accusing you?
That's a bit rich.

It's not rich at all. Johnny had every right to respond to me and refute my accusation, just like I did with yours.

Is that all kizzy or can I get back to the topic?