[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He won the Oscar for best actor in a leading role though, also Driving Miss Daisy, who are the black actors in vogue at the moment I don't watch a lot of movies so I have no idea, do they deserve a nomination? If they do then it needs investigating, if they don't then it doesn't

Yeah Driving Miss daisy is one definitely and I guess I have to give you the Shawshank then

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Invictus - haven't seen
Seven - Brad Pitt he was imo
The Bucket List - Jack Nicholson was imo
5 flights up - haven't seen
Olympus Has Fallen - Gerard Butler
Along Came A Spider - I'll give you
Kiss the Girls - I'll give you
Sum of all Fears - Ben Affleck
The Magic of Belle Isle - haven't seen
Hard Rain - Easily Christian Slater
Thick as Thieves - Haven't seen it
Amistad - haven't seen
Outbreak - Dustin Hoffman.......

Yes love that Film
was used in Daily Show ReMix on Ebola
year back

Utter Bliss

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Invictus - haven't seen
Seven - Brad Pitt he was imo
The Bucket List - Jack Nicholson was imo
5 flights up - haven't seen
Olympus Has Fallen - Gerard Butler
Along Came A Spider - I'll give you
Kiss the Girls - I'll give you
Sum of all Fears - Ben Affleck
The Magic of Belle Isle - haven't seen
Hard Rain - Easily Christian Slater
Thick as Thieves - Haven't seen it
Amistad - haven't seen
Outbreak - Dustin Hoffman.......

You've just named the white actor who was also in it. It doesn't diminish a black actor's role just because he was in it with a white man!

We need more roles for black actors, so we need more black screenwriters. Why isn't the boycott focusing on the need for black roles, rather than black actors?

[user104658]

First billed is not the same as protagonist, Freeman is first billed in loads of films that his role, if you watch it, would best be described as "major supporting". In all where he is a definitive lead, there is ALWAYS a second lead.

Your list Livia:



Invictus - OK this one is a given, it's about Nelson Mandela, however he does have a white co-protagonist in Matt Damon.

Seven - First billed but a co-protagonist. And arguably, the film is about Pitt's character.

Bucket List - Jack Nicholson first billed

5 Flights Up - Diane keaton first billed. Surely this one gets bonus points though! A black male lead, a female lead, AND inter-racial coupling? Thats a PC win right there

Olympus Has Fallen - C'mon Livia... this is a Gerard Butler vehicle.

Along Came A Spider - He's first billed -- BUT -- the movie is about the white girl.

Kiss The Girls - More or less the same story as the above, slightly less so, at best he's co-protagonist though it's not "a Morgan Freeman movie".

Sum of all Fears - Affleck flick

The Magic of Belle Isle - This one is a Morgan Freeman film! It... grossed $100,000 total.

Hard Rain - Christian Slater and Minnie Driver's huge head and face. Isn't Freeman the villain in this? Being the villain doesn't count.

Thick as Thieves - I've never actually heard of it... he isn't first billed though and it looks like it was a (drastic) box office flop.

Amistad - Another given as it's a "slave film" - but he shares billing with Anthony Hopkins and Matthew McConaughy.

Outbreak - Unambiguously a Dustin Hoffman film (and if we're looking at black leads, though billed lower than Freeman, Cuba Gooding Jr is the lead supporting actor, Freeman's role was relatively small).

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You've just named the white actor who was also in it. It doesn't diminish a black actor's role just because he was in it with a white man!

It's not about them being "in" the film, it's pointing out that in many of those films there is an actual white lead (Pitt, Butler, Affleck, Slater, Hoffman in their respective films) and in all of the others, there is at the very least a corresponding white lead. There are no films that he carries on his own, as the lead.

Will Smith has loads of them, Denzel Washington has a few... Jamie Foxx also, easily carries Django Unchained. I honest to god can't think of any other SOLO black leads.

[Alf]

Who cares if Spike Lee is spitting his dummy out (again)

This is a director that casts mainly black actors in all his films, so he has no room to talk.

The guy seems to have a problem with White people.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not about them being "in" the film, it's pointing out that in many of those films there is an actual white lead (Pitt, Butler, Affleck, Slater, Hoffman in their respective films) and in all of the others, there is at the very least a corresponding white lead. There are no films that he carries on his own, as the lead.

Will Smith has loads of them, Denzel Washington has a few... Jamie Foxx also, easily carries Django Unchained. I honest to god can't think of any other SOLO black leads.

For me Jamie Foxx was definitely second to Christoph Waltz, well it was about Jamie more so, so he is the male lead but Christopher waltz carried the film imo (I hate Jamie Foxx though and love Christopher waltz so maybe I'm biassed in that haha)

[Cherie]

So a question to the film buffs which black actors were overlooked and deserved a nomination and for which movie?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So a question to the film buffs which black actors were overlooked and deserved a nomination and for which movie?

That wasn't the point, it's the lack of decent roles for black actors that would lead to nominations for them (imo anyway)

[bots]

This is concentrating on men ... what about Whoopy, Halley Berry, Whitney, Queen Latifah to name but a few, all with top of the bill starring credits

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So a question to the film buffs which black actors were overlooked and deserved a nomination and for which movie?

Rudolph Walker for his portrayal of Bill Reynolds in the 1973 smash Love Thy Neighbour

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

You've just named the white actor who was also in it. It doesn't diminish a black actor's role just because he was in it with a white man!

We need more roles for black actors, so we need more black screenwriters. Why isn't the boycott focusing on the need for black roles, rather than black actors?

No I didn't the white actors in it were clearly the lead roles

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

First billed is not the same as protagonist, Freeman is first billed in loads of films that his role, if you watch it, would best be described as "major supporting". In all where he is a definitive lead, there is ALWAYS a second lead.

Your list Livia:



Invictus - OK this one is a given, it's about Nelson Mandela, however he does have a white co-protagonist in Matt Damon.

Seven - First billed but a co-protagonist. And arguably, the film is about Pitt's character.

Bucket List - Jack Nicholson first billed

5 Flights Up - Diane keaton first billed. Surely this one gets bonus points though! A black male lead, a female lead, AND inter-racial coupling? Thats a PC win right there

Olympus Has Fallen - C'mon Livia... this is a Gerard Butler vehicle.

Along Came A Spider - He's first billed -- BUT -- the movie is about the white girl.

Kiss The Girls - More or less the same story as the above, slightly less so, at best he's co-protagonist though it's not "a Morgan Freeman movie".

Sum of all Fears - Affleck flick

The Magic of Belle Isle - This one is a Morgan Freeman film! It... grossed $100,000 total.

Hard Rain - Christian Slater and Minnie Driver's huge head and face. Isn't Freeman the villain in this? Being the villain doesn't count.

Thick as Thieves - I've never actually heard of it... he isn't first billed though and it looks like it was a (drastic) box office flop.

Amistad - Another given as it's a "slave film" - but he shares billing with Anthony Hopkins and Matthew McConaughy.

Outbreak - Unambiguously a Dustin Hoffman film (and if we're looking at black leads, though billed lower than Freeman, Cuba Gooding Jr is the lead supporting actor, Freeman's role was relatively small).

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not about them being "in" the film, it's pointing out that in many of those films there is an actual white lead (Pitt, Butler, Affleck, Slater, Hoffman in their respective films) and in all of the others, there is at the very least a corresponding white lead. There are no films that he carries on his own, as the lead.

Will Smith has loads of them, Denzel Washington has a few... Jamie Foxx also, easily carries Django Unchained. I honest to god can't think of any other SOLO black leads.

There are lots of white actors who've never been the protagonist.

How many times has an Asian actor been the protagonist? Asians make up half the world.... maybe they should boycott the Academy Awards.

Like I said before.... you want more great parts for black actors? Get more black screenwriters.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No I didn't the white actors in it were clearly the lead roles

Clearly? Not to me...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Clearly? Not to me...

Christian Slater wasn't the main lead role in Hard Rain then? come on

[arista]

A Black Agent for a Top British Black Actor
said the Oscars is Racist.

He has a Top Black Lady Actor
who refused to go on Ch4's Top Boy
as it would destroy her future USA contracts.


Back to Idris
why do just 2 episodes of Luther?

If you are going to America
bloody go,

If you are Free Lance
we need 6 or 8 episodes for BBC1HD
as I co- fund those feckers with the rest of the UK
and I agree you are good as Detective Luther

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Christian Slater wasn't the main lead role in Hard Rain then? come on

Is Christian Slater more respected and recognised than Morgan Freeman by film-goers?

I don't think this argument is about Morgan Freemen, he's a really successful black actor. There are thousands of no-so-successful black actors who, if they want decent parts, should maybe start writing screenplays. A bit like women did.

Black screenwriters. It's what it all comes down to.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How many American Actors get starring roles in BOllywood films?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Is Christian Slater more respected and recognised than Morgan Freeman by film-goers?

I don't think this argument is about Morgan Freemen, he's a really successful black actor. There are thousands of no-so-successful black actors who, if they want decent parts, should maybe start writing screenplays. A bit like women did.

Black screenwriters. It's what it all comes down to.

He was by me back in the 90's but yes I know obviously Morgan Freeman has had more longevity with his career but back when that film came out Christian Slater was one of the most popular hot young actors, he was most definitely the draw for that film

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He was by me back in the 90's but yes I know obviously Morgan Freeman has had more longevity with his career but back when that film came out Christian Slater was one of the most popular hot young actors, he was most definitely the draw for that film

Screenwriters. Black ones. It's the only way...

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Livia

Is Christian Slater more respected and recognised than Morgan Freeman by film-goers?

I don't think this argument is about Morgan Freemen, he's a really successful black actor. There are thousands of no-so-successful black actors who, if they want decent parts, should maybe start writing screenplays. A bit like women did.

Black screenwriters. It's what it all comes down to.

There are many black screenwriters... they can't get their talent past the all white heads and executives of the film industry... It's a rampant problem through out the industry. It has been noted and spoken about for years. Glad the film stars that have a high amount of public profile are speaking out about it in this way. Helps to get the point across.

[Tom4784]

I agree with the boycott, It's ridiculous that there's no diversity in the nominations when there's more than enough contenders that got snubbed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Screenwriters. Black ones. It's the only way...

Why? In most films it wouldn't even matter if the lead was played by a white or black actor

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why? In most films it wouldn't even matter if the lead was played by a white or black actor

Why are Asian actors so unrepresented? There are even less of them in lead roles...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mokka

There are many black screenwriters... they can't get their talent past the all white heads and executives of the film industry... It's a rampant problem through out the industry. It has been noted and spoken about for years. Glad the film stars that have a high amount of public profile are speaking out about it in this way. Helps to get the point across.

The vast majority of those white heads are attached to Jewish bodies. All I think they're concerned with is the bottom line. If a box-office-busting black actor brought in as much cash as a box-office-busting white actor, I'm sure they'd cast them.

Will Smith, for example.