[arista]

[Don Cheadle has said the Academy’s planned
membership changes to improve diversity
are a “step in the right direction”.]

Yes I like Don
Ammi
he works extra hard.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Well I find your post moronic too as it's typical when there's an issue black people bring into attention, people make it about everyone. It can't just focus on the point blacks are trying to make. Another example is I don't know who, maybe Reese Witherspoon, is now talking about lack of roles for women in hollywood and etc. Fair enough, it needs to be discussed, but when gays bring up their issues people give them respect enough to let it be about the gays and how they experience things from their point of view and they give them support. I don't see millions of people jumping on it trying to diminish what they are trying to bring to the forefront. This is just another example of black lives matter...nah ALL lives matter.

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Tsskkkkk

..see, I understand this and I don't think that I always have and been a bit confused sometimes, in that I've sometimes thought that all lives matter because they do and because we don't see skin colour, we see people...but I totally understand, it's just all detracting onto other prejudices and other wrongs but they're not the wrongs that are being highlighted so it's almost like it's being dismissed or becoming lost and diluted...this is about black lives matter, nothing more, nothing less, this is this focus...


..there was another thread recently about views on homosexuality...(I know, I'm making that analogy/sorry..)...but obviously there are still many mind-sets and prejudices there as well..the thing about it for me though, is that prejudice/the focus on any prejudice, which is where the focus should be...(the same as with the focus on black lives matter..)...is always going to be detracted from when people feel as though they're being judged also and prejudiced against..?...because that's just going to cause a defensiveness and voices and words ere then lost...uggghh, I'm not explaining this very well, I have a fuzzy head this morning with a cold..CeeCee, you make me think so much about things, like the racism in professional sport...I had no idea but you really highlighted that and I love your passion and you know how much I respect you ...but it often can feel as though you're shouting at people and shouting down their voices..and in situations like that, it's only going to cause a thing where your points are not being heard and that's such a shame...maybe it's appropriate sometimes and I know that you speak from your heart..(and you have a beautiful heart..)...but it's also detracting from black lives matter and everything that should be important if people are feeling attacked or themselves, prejudiced against....CeeCee, you explain, you explain beautifully and from that there is understanding but with 'tssskkk', all there will remain is defensiveness and voices lost....

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..see, I understand this and I don't think that I always have and been a bit confused sometimes, in that I've sometimes thought that all lives matter because they do and because we don't see skin colour, we see people...but I totally understand, it's just all detracting onto other prejudices and other wrongs but they're not the wrongs that are being highlighted so it's almost like it's being dismissed or becoming lost and diluted...this is about black lives matter, nothing more, nothing less, this is this focus...


..there was another thread recently about views on homosexuality...(I know, I'm making that analogy/sorry..)...but obviously there are still many mind-sets and prejudices there as well..the thing about it for me though, is that prejudice/the focus on any prejudice, which is where the focus should be...(the same as with the focus on black lives matter..)...is always going to be detracted from when people feel as though they're being judged also and prejudiced against..?...because that's just going to cause a defensiveness and voices and words ere then lost...uggghh, I'm not explaining this very well, I have a fuzzy head this morning with a cold..CeeCee, you make me think so much about things, like the racism in professional sport...I had no idea but you really highlighted that and I love your passion and you know how much I respect you ...but it often can feel as though you're shouting at people and shouting down their voices..and in situations like that, it's only going to cause a thing where your points are not being heard and that's such a shame...maybe it's appropriate sometimes and I know that you speak from your heart..(and you have a beautiful heart..)...but it's also detracting from black lives matter and everything that should be important if people are feeling attacked or themselves, prejudiced against....CeeCee, you explain, you explain beautifully and from that there is understanding but with 'tssskkk', all there will remain is defensiveness and voices lost....

Yea that's the point I'm trying to make opinions are being dismissed. It's like on tumblr, black bloggers starting black out day where black people post pics of themselves and appreciate their features and everything that's beautiful about them. Well there was some white people crying " what about whiteout day, why can't we have whiteout day. White race is beautiful too" weeeeell the response is, every day is whiteout day all around you. Open up a mainstream magazine white features are considered epitome of beauty, articles about black women being ugly are written. If a black woman is called beautiful here's something Eurocentric about her. Simply Google "beautiful people" whites turn up. So yeah...

I kissed my teeth "tsssk" cause I was tired and couldn't be arsed anymore.

[lostalex]

why do so many people care about black people all of a sudden? or is this just the press kicking up a fuss over nothing?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Yea that's the point I'm trying to make opinions are being dismissed. It's like on tumblr, black bloggers starting black out day where black people post pics of themselves and appreciate their features and everything that's beautiful about them. Well there was some white people crying " what about whiteout day, why can't we have whiteout day. White race is beautiful too" weeeeell the response is, every day is whiteout day all around you. Open up a mainstream magazine white features are considered epitome of beauty, articles about black women being ugly are written. If a black woman is called beautiful here's something Eurocentric about her. Simply Google "beautiful people" whites turn up. So yeah...

I kissed my teeth "tsssk" cause I was tired and couldn't be arsed anymore.

Great point ITILYT, we're regressing, in the 70s there were more successful black singers and models than there are today, personally I agree with the whiteout theory.

[Z]

Quite frankly taking out frustration on me personally is fair enough in the grand scheme of things because I'm a white man and you're a black woman, CeeCee, but when we're discussing the particular issue of Will Smith being a brat, it's not relevant and just rude. Fin.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Z

Quite frankly taking out frustration on me personally is fair enough in the grand scheme of things because I'm a white man and you're a black woman, CeeCee, but when we're discussing the particular issue of Will Smith being a brat, it's not relevant and just rude. Fin.

Has Will Smith been a brat? I haven't noticed a comment from him.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Has Will Smith been a brat? I haven't noticed a comment from him.

This whole controversy sparked off because Will and Jada pointedly said they weren't going because he didn't get a nomination. He's not a good actor, not by Academy standards, I'm amazed he thought he was ever in contention for one - he's firmly in the same category of actors as Jim Carrey - beloved, blockbuster stars, comedians, lovable... but not lauded actors.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Z

This whole controversy sparked off because Will and Jada pointedly said they weren't going because he didn't get a nomination. He's not a good actor, not by Academy standards, I'm amazed he thought he was ever in contention for one - he's firmly in the same category of actors as Jim Carrey - beloved, blockbuster stars, comedians, lovable... but not lauded actors.

No Z.

this started day one with Spike Lee
getting political
all the others are sad
hanger on's.


I would blacklist any that refuse to attend
no time for this now
Times Are Hard

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Great point ITILYT, we're regressing, in the 70s there were more successful black singers and models than there are today, personally I agree with the whiteout theory.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Z

This whole controversy sparked off because Will and Jada pointedly said they weren't going because he didn't get a nomination. He's not a good actor, not by Academy standards, I'm amazed he thought he was ever in contention for one - he's firmly in the same category of actors as Jim Carrey - beloved, blockbuster stars, comedians, lovable... but not lauded actors.

I was Jada alone and she wasn't referring specifically to her husband.

[James]

Maybe the answer is to stop taking the Oscars so seriously. It's only one awards and doesn't reflect what films people like.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Ralph Fiennes cast as Michael Jackson. What were y'all saying about it not making sense for black actors to be cast as fictional characters that were originally white but once again it's shown that Hollywood has no problem casting whites in roles of real people that are black . I don't care if MJ had white skin afterwards, it was due to vitiligo. With all the cgi you could have made it work if you wanted. Heck, some made for to tv MJ movies made it work.
I remember someone's response to one black character someone said it was unrealistic to have a black based on factual history and someone replied here are dragons, godzilla like snakes, and whatever else and yet the only unrealistic thing is that there is a black guy in the movie!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Ralph Fiennes cast as Michael Jackson. What were y'all saying about it not making sense for black actors to be cast as fictional characters that were originally white but once again it's shown that Hollywood has no problem casting whites in roles of real people that are black . I don't care if MJ had white skin afterwards, it was due to vitiligo. With all the cgi you could have made it work if you wanted. Heck, some made for to tv MJ movies made it work.
I remember someone's response to one black character someone said it was unrealistic to have a black based on factual history and someone replied here are dragons, godzilla like snakes, and whatever else and yet the only unrealistic thing is that there is a black guy in the movie!

..yeah, I read the headline of this, this morning but don't have time to read the article/why he was chosen for the part...it's really not an obvious casting is it...(I did think of you when I saw the headline, oh Lord..CeeCee is going to have something to say about this.....)..I'm not making light of it in reality though...it does seem seriously weird casting...

[kirklancaster]

Fiennes as Michael is totally ludicrous and uneccessary, whether - being the fine actor he is - he 'pulls it off' or not, because there must be many black actors who could excel in the role and be far more creditable.

This is DEFINITELY one case where insensitive casting lends weight to the argument on this thread that not enough opportunities exist for black actors.

However, it still does not alter my own pesonal viewpoint that the role of James Bond should remain a white one.

There is a fine character in the Bond books and films who is worthy of being developed by skilful black writers and screenwriters, and given his own films, and his name is;

"Leiter.... Felix Leiter. C.I.A.... Licensed to kill".

He was played by the remarkable black actor Jeffrey Wright in 'Casino Royale', and presents a brilliant opportunity for black writers and actors to create their own 'Bond'.

[bots]

With Bond, I really don't think it matters who plays him now. We all love/hate various Bonds through its history, in a way that forms part of the franchise appeal. Also, as the films are no longer interpretations of the books, there is no context to cast against.

[Johnnyuk123]

Diversity is what all the actors want and now they have it, it should not matter at all what colour this actor is. Diversity is a two way street.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Diversity is what all the actors want and now they have it

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

With Bond, I really don't think it matters who plays him now. We all love/hate various Bonds through its history, in a way that forms part of the franchise appeal. Also, as the films are no longer interpretations of the books, there is no context to cast against.

Well it matters to me, and there is nothing of 'Racism' in my preferrence - I like my tea white without sugar and my coffee black with sugar, because that is what I prefer and what I am used to.

I grew up reading the books and Fleming's Bond will forever remain MY Bond. As I said, I have no objection to any black super spy being created to rival Bond or even imitate him, but there is just NO need - to me - to turn Bond into a black man.

Here is Fleming's image of the James Bond HE created:

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Well it matters to me, and there is nothing of 'Racism' in my preferrence - I like my tea white without sugar and my coffee black with sugar, because that is what I prefer and what I am used to.

I grew up reading the books and Fleming's Bond will forever remain MY Bond. As I said, I have no objection to any black super spy being created to rival Bond or even imitate him, but there is just NO need - to me - to turn Bond into a black man.

Here is Fleming's image of the James Bond HE created:

Looks absolutely nothing like Daniel Craig.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Looks absolutely nothing like Daniel Craig.

But a lot more like Daniel Craig than Idris Elba or Will Smith don't you think?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But a lot more like Daniel Craig than Idris Elba or Will Smith don't you think?

It's a black and white drawing I couldn't be sure.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But a lot more like Daniel Craig than Idris Elba or Will Smith don't you think?

Looks more like Idris Elba to me

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Looks more like Idris Elba to me

Should've gone to specsavers Niamh - and take Marsh with you.

(BTW - I look more like Idris Elba.)

[Marsh.]

And unlike Daniel Craig, he doesn't get fat on his days off.