[Vanessa]

I just think Marco isn't that bad, that is all. Housemates keep talking behind his back then are nice as pie in front of him. Which i find just as immature. They could of course talk to him, but they won't. They will just isolate him because that's what a group does when they don't like someone. We have seen it over and over again. Now i need to get ready to go out, so i will see you lot tonight. I won't be able to watch the show, but will catch up when i can.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You've literally just told me what I am and am not allowed to talk about regarding the HMs, actually literally said that and i quote :

Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship

and you wonder why you got that response back? Seriously?

Also, why are you asking me on the one hand to "justify my position" but on the other tell me I'm not allowed to talk about the Hall pass?

No I don't, because why is it yours or anyone else's place to decide that a relationship of which you're not involved in, let alone know when you watch one half of it for 48 minutes a night, is disrespectful?

I'm asking you to justify your position because I want to know how it is yours or anyone else's place. I've given you the reasons why I think it isn't and why I think it's literally just personal opposition to having one clouding people's judgement, but I'm yet to hear of any reason why people think they're entitled to comment

Saying 'coz this is a forum innit and I'll say why I effin want!' isn't really a meaningful response either is it, just childish

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I just think Marco isn't that bad, that is all. Housemates keep talking behind his back then are nice as pie in front of him. Which i find just as immature. They could of course talk to him, but they won't. They will just isolate him because that's what a group does when they don't like someone. We have seen it over and over again. Now i need to get ready to go out, so i will see you lot tonight. I won't be able to watch the show, but will catch up when i can.

..yeah, you have a nice time..(wherever you're off to, Vanessa..)....

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

No you can't, you can't tell Josy and Niamh what to do, you can have an opinion yes but you can't forced them to do anything. If they want to have an opinion on that relationship and find it disrespectful they have the right and you can't do anything about it.

Err...did you miss the part where I specifically said I can't actually physically restrain them from typing their opinion? They have the right to type whatever they wish, and I have the right to say that I think they're wrong and not entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one they barely know) just because they have a personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships. That is MY opinion

But for the third time, you already know this and are only jumping in because you have some kind of personal vendetta against me

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, you have a nice time..(wherever you're off to, Vanessa..)....

To see Coldplay

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

To see Coldplay

..oh a bit of a contrast from watching the hot play of Marco then....you have a lovely time, it'll be a great gig...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No I don't, because why is it yours or anyone else's place to decide that a relationship of which you're not involved in, let alone know when you watch one half of it for 48 minutes a night, is disrespectful?

I'm asking you to justify your position because I want to know how it is yours or anyone else's place. I've given you the reasons why I think it isn't and why I think it's literally just personal opposition to having one clouding people's judgement, but I'm yet to hear of any reason why people think they're entitled to comment

Saying 'coz this is a forum innit and I'll say why I effin want!' isn't really a meaningful response either is it, just childish

No it isn't childish Jack, it's a reply you should expect to get when you speak to people like the way you speak to people sometimes, condescending and superior

In regards to your question, how does a person even answer that?, "Explain why you think it's your place to discuss this" How is it anyones place to discuss anything? What a weird thing to ask someone.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm not sure whether to find this thread absolutely hilarious or absolutely alarming this seems like satire but I know it isn't

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

To see Coldplay

I'm going on Saturday!

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Err...did you miss the part where I specifically said I can't actually physically restrain them from typing their opinion? They have the right to type whatever they wish, and I have the right to say that I think they're wrong and not entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one they barely know) just because they have a personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships. That is MY opinion

But for the third time, you already know this and are only jumping in because you have some kind of personal vendetta against me

But you're doing more than that though, you're telling people what they can and can't say and how they should feel. You're making people feel they can't have a certain opinion. Come off it you're not that special soz.

[Headie]

Reading this thread for a bit of daily entertainment

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

No I don't, because why is it yours or anyone else's place to decide that a relationship of which you're not involved in, let alone know when you watch one half of it for 48 minutes a night, is disrespectful?

I'm asking you to justify your position because I want to know how it is yours or anyone else's place. I've given you the reasons why I think it isn't and why I think it's literally just personal opposition to having one clouding people's judgement, but I'm yet to hear of any reason why people think they're entitled to comment

Saying 'coz this is a forum innit and I'll say why I effin want!' isn't really a meaningful response either is it, just childish

Obviously Marco's relationship is obscure, people are gonna comment on it, especially on a big brother forum and especially if he and his fiance are publically talking about it too.

You can tell people you think its not their place but I think you're entirely wrong. Its not like theyre actively trying to keep it private.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No it isn't childish Jack, it's a reply you should expect to get when you speak to people like the way you speak to people sometimes, condescending and superior

In regards to your question, how does a person even answer that?, "Explain why you think it's your place to discuss this" How is it anyones place to discuss anything? What a weird thing to ask someone.

Please don't try and pretend I've not been spoken down to in this thread when other people are just as guilty. Do it to me and I'll do it back, I'm certainly not the only person on here who does it and of course I think my opinion is superior, it's my damn opinion I never understand it when people say this, it wouldn't be much of an opinion if I didn't think it was right would it?

It's not a weird question at all, I've explained why I don't think it's the business of anybody else but the people involved in a relationship (certainly one that's only on TV for 48 minutes a night and involves one half of it) to be passing judgement on it let alone calling it 'disrespectful' because they have personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships, but I'm yet to here any defence as to why it is

Originally Posted by LukeB

But you're doing more than that though, you're telling people what they can and can't say and how they should feel. You're making people feel they can't have a certain opinion. Come off it you're not that special soz.

Because for the umpteenth time, that is my opinion? I don't believe it is the place of anyone but the people involved in a relationship to be determining whether their own damn relationship is 'disrespectful' or not. That is MY opinion, you keep banging on about allowing people to have them, so why aren't I included in that?

And please, you're basically obsessed with me luv

[Tom4784]

Marco is allowed to be a wankstain and we are allowed to have an opinion on the fact that he is a wankstain.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Because for the umpteenth time, that is my opinion? I don't believe it is the place of anyone but the people involved in a relationship to be determining whether their own damn relationship is 'disrespectful' or not. That is MY opinion, you keep banging on about allowing people to have them, so why aren't I included in that?

And please, you're basically obsessed with me luv

obviously it's your opinion but you can't act like their dad and stuff and try and forced them what to think.

Not really, but if you think you're god then go ahead but no one is obsessed with you. you really aint that special.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Obviously Marco's relationship is obscure, people are gonna comment on it, especially on a big brother forum and especially if he and his fiance are publically talking about it too.

You can tell people you think its not their place but I think you're entirely wrong. Its not like theyre actively trying to keep it private.

Well for starters only one half of the relationship is in the house, secondly we watch the show for 48 minutes a night - I don't think we truly know anybody anymore, and lastly I fail to see how it's the place of anybody but Marco and his fiancé to determine whether the terms that they've set for their own relationship are 'disrespectful' or not? Don't you think they can decide that themselves?

All it is is people's personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships (which is fine but others are entitled to like them) and their utter dislike of Marco shining through

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Please don't try and pretend I've not been spoken down to in this thread when other people are just as guilty. Do it to me and I'll do it back, I'm certainly not the only person on here who does it and of course I think my opinion is superior, it's my damn opinion I never understand it when people say this, it wouldn't be much of an opinion if I didn't think it was right would it?

It's not a weird question at all, I've explained why I don't think it's the business of anybody else but the people involved in a relationship (certainly one that's only on TV for 48 minutes a night and involves one half of it) to be passing judgement on it let alone calling it 'disrespectful' because they have personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships, but I'm yet to here any defence as to why it is



Because for the umpteenth time, that is my opinion? I don't believe it is the place of anyone but the people involved in a relationship to be determining whether their own damn relationship is 'disrespectful' or not. That is MY opinion, you keep banging on about allowing people to have them, so why aren't I included in that?

And please, you're basically obsessed with me luv

Of course we can all discuss his bloody relationship, he's talked about it, the other HMs have talked about it, his GF has tweeted about so I'll damn well talk about it too and tbh Jack I don't fancy having a discussion with a person who basically just tells me it's not my place to talk about something and thinks that's a winning argument so yeah done with this conversation now....with you anyway

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't think it's the business of anybody else but the people involved in a relationship (certainly one that's only on TV for 48 minutes a night and involves one half of it) to be passing judgement on it let alone calling it 'disrespectful'

It's open field day on Marco's relationship because he's in BB and therefore has put himself on show for people to judge him and have any opinion about him they choose. It's a free country, this is a forum that respects all opinions within the rules and if we have to agree with you or anyone else who demands it then the forum night as well be shut down because there would be no discussion to have.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

obviously it's your opinion but you can't act like their dad and stuff and try and forced them what to think.

Not really, but if you think you're god then go ahead but no one is obsessed with you. you really aint that special.

Forced them what to think? This is a discussion forum (which I seem to have been reminded of rather ironically several times in this thread), if I disagree with someone's position I am going to challenge it and present reasons as to why I think it's wrong. What usually follows is a counter argument as to why they think I'm wrong and thus a debate ensues. That's how forums work

Except that hasn't happened, I've given my opinion as to why I don't believe it's the place of anybody but those involved in a relationship to determine whether it's 'disrespectful' or not and that people's personal opposition to having hall passes and open relationships are clouding their judgement, but no one has told me why they are or given any kind of counter argument that's made me reassess my position, just thrown their proverbial toys out of the pram and said 'well I'm allowed an opinion!!!'...hardly a thought through response is it?

While ever you keep following me around threads pretending to disagree with me, that's not really gonna be believable but okay

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well for starters only one half of the relationship is in the house, secondly we watch the show for 48 minutes a night - I don't think we truly know anybody anymore, and lastly I fail to see how it's the place of anybody but Marco and his fiancé to determine whether the terms that they've set for their own relationship are 'disrespectful' or not? Don't you think they can decide that themselves?

All it is is people's personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships (which is fine but others are entitled to like them) and their utter dislike of Marco shining through

My own personal opinion is that its obscure, I'm entitled to that. Others believe its disrespectful, they're entitled to that. You are pretending that you think its irrelevant. You're entitled to that.
I know you haven't forgot how public forums work so I don't understand your anger. I think you're more mad people dislike one of your favourites than you are people discussing his relationship

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Forced them what to think? This is a discussion forum (which I seem to have been reminded of rather ironically several times in this thread), if I disagree with someone's position I am going to challenge it and present reasons as to why I think it's wrong. What usually follows is a counter argument as to why they think I'm wrong and thus a debate ensues. That's how forums work

Except that hasn't happened, I've given my opinion as to why I don't believe it's the place of anybody but those involved in a relationship to determine whether it's 'disrespectful' or not and that people's personal opposition to having hall passes and open relationships are clouding their judgement, but no one has told me why they are or given any kind of counter argument that's made me reassess my position, just thrown their proverbial toys out of the pram and said 'well I'm allowed an opinion!!!'...hardly a thought through response is it?

While ever you keep following me around threads pretending to disagree with me, that's not really gonna be believable but okay

I don't follow anyone i look in every activate thread so stop being silly

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Of course we can all discuss his bloody relationship, he's talked about it, the other HMs have talked about it, his GF has tweeted about so I'll damn well talk about it too and tbh Jack I don't fancy having a discussion with a person who basically just tells me it's not my place to talk about something and thinks that's a winning argument so yeah done with this conversation now....with you anyway

Yes because someone saying they have a hall pass and his girlfriend confirming it on a social media platform really opens the floodgates for people to say that their relationship is 'disrespectful' when it's their own. damn. relationship. Do you not think it's for the people involved in it to determine whether it is or not? We're just going around in circles here

But I've given you reasons as to why I don't think it's your place, you've not...so...it kind of is a winning argument? If you can't justify your position then you've lost the debate really, but sure whatever

Originally Posted by jet

It's open field day on Marco's relationship because he's in BB and therefore has put himself on show for people to judge him and have any opinion about him they choose. It's a free country, this is a forum that respects all opinions within the rules and if we have to agree with you or anyone else who demands it then the forum night as well be shut down because there would be no discussion to have.

Again this it's seriously ironic that I'm the one being told I'm blocking a discussion from happening when I'm the person that's encouraging one. I've given my opinion, justified it with reasons and the responses I'm receiving aren't counter arguments you'd expect on a discussion forum which you all keep wanting to mention, but rather 'this is ma opinion and I'll effin say it!!!!'. Well sure, but if someone disagrees expect to be pulled up on it, and be prepared to justify it. That is a how a discussion forum works

Originally Posted by Withano

My own personal opinion is that its obscure, I'm entitled to that. Others believe its disrespectful, they're entitled to that. You are pretending that you think its irrelevant. You're entitled to that.
I know you haven't forgot how public forums work so I don't understand your anger. I think you're more mad people dislike one of your favourites than you are people discussing his relationship

What do you mean by 'obscure'? I understand the word just not in this context

Please don't try and make out this has anything to do with me supporting Marco (which is tenuous at best) because that implies I'm inconsistent and that is one thing I most certainly am not. I would be having this discussion regardless of who it is, I get annoyed at the principle that in 2016 people aren't allowed to have open relationships and 'hall passes' without being labelled 'disrespectful' or not 'classy' just because they personally wouldn't have one. Live and let live fgs it's not 1953 anymore

I've had this discussion several times on here even when it doesn't regard Big Brother, if someone had started a thread criticising Evelyn (I think it was) for sleeping with a married man I'd have defended her saying it's not her to blame because she wasn't in a relationship...and I think she's one of the most boring housemates in there! It has absolutely nothing to do with my favourites, this goes beyond BB, it's a social issue

[Withano]

I think you need a yoga break jack

People dislike marco, people dislike his relationship, people are allowed to discuss both of these things and more for just as long as marco and his fiance are willing to make it publically relevant.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes because someone saying they have a hall pass and his girlfriend confirming it on a social media platform really opens the floodgates for people to say that their relationship is 'disrespectful' when it's their own. damn. relationship. Do you not think it's for the people involved in it to determine whether it is or not?

..I think that his fiancé also said that she didn't expect him to use his hall pass so soon though, Jack..and it was pretty quick..(which is also why it all seems very contrived between Marco and his fiancé to me..)....and he also added to it that they had an open relationship, which she has denied...so the very bringing up of it../the pass and the open relationship by him and some inconsistencies between them both, is surely something that is going to be discussed...and either Niamh or Josy have pondered whether his pass and the mention of an open relationship may not be so mutual, but maybe more what he wants ..so would show a very selfish and self-absorbed person, is that not something which is very relevant for discussion and indeed, criticism as well....

[hot2go]

Offer most 20 year olds a pass to something naughty and they will grab your hand off but someone like Marco ?
Far as he sees it it's a pass to the hall, the bedroom, the shower, the kitchen, the pool even the roof...his girlfriend MUST have realised that surely.