[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The British had no problem crossing others borders themselves though

No we didn't and we have a lot from the past to be ashamed of. We also have a lot of things to be proud of, one of them I think is that a lot of the countries we have colonised in the past still have excellent relationships with us and hold us in fond regard. To make that transition from former conquest to fond friendship says a lot about us as a people now I hope.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No we didn't and we have a lot from the past to be ashamed of. We also have a lot of things to be proud of, one of them I think is that a lot of the countries we have colonised in the past still have excellent relationships with us and hold us in fond regard. To make that transition from former conquest to fond friendship says a lot about us as a people now I hope.

Funny how all brits should be held responsible for invading countries hundreds of years ago, but when a muslim commits a terrorist attack it is suddenly #NotAllMuslims.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No we didn't and we have a lot from the past to be ashamed of. We also have a lot of things to be proud of, one of them I think is that a lot of the countries we have colonised in the past still have excellent relationships with us and hold us in fond regard. To make that transition from former conquest to fond friendship says a lot about us as a people now I hope.

It does indeed Jaxie, peace in NI has been wonderful I hope it remains and I can say I was misty eyed when the Queen visited the Republic

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Funny how all brits should be held responsible for invading countries hundreds of years ago, but when a muslim commits a terrorist attack it is suddenly #NotAllMuslims.

OMG did you not see the smilie..stop trying to make something out of nothing

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

If people had been allowed to voice their concerns about immigration before, without everyone to the left of centre accusing them of racism and xenophobia, maybe the picture would have been different. The danger with ignoring people's concerns is that those concerns grow into problems.

And really, I'm tired of the suggestion that we are a ridiculously racist country when we are not. I hope this is a lesson learned. You have to listen to people because if you keep them down by calling them names, it just blows the situation out of all proportion.

Originally Posted by Hayden

I don't think it's "on the rise", it's always been there - but now people feel they have more of a right to air their racist views.

I doubt the fact that we've voted out the EU would make anyone suddenly become a racist - you've either always have been one and just not voiced it until now, or you aren't one. Sadly most racist groups like Britain First etc were on the leave side, so leave winning will just give them more of a platform to incite their hatred.

I agree with both of these posts.

On the whole I think we are a incredibly open minded country and the idiots who are xenophobic/racist etc etc and in the minority. And no, I don't think that everyone who voted leave is Xenophobic, so don't try and tell me that the majority are actually in fact xenophobic.

You get xenophobic people everywhere. From what I've seen, a lot of places in Europe aren't too keen on us either...

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

OMG did you not see the smilie..stop trying to make something out of nothing

Don't make points if you don't want somebody to respond to them.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It does indeed Jaxie, peace in NI has been wonderful I hope it remains and I can say I was misty eyed when the Queen visited the Republic

I was too. I answered the question you asked btw on page 3.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Don't make points if you don't want somebody to respond to them.

Get you!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That depends on what the deal on offer is, whether there is a vote on it and how my country votes. From now is the time for negotiation about what happens next and in a democracy we go with the will of the people.

However, I see no point in staying in the single market if we have to pay 7% in fees when we can pay 3% in tarrifs outside it for the same trade. I don't really believe in the free movement of people for two reasons.

The first is that people coming from countries outside Europe to the UK do have a points system, for inside Europe to have no system is frankly unfair and discriminatory. Someone coming from Africa should have the same chance as someone coming from Latvia.

The second is that I believe we should have knowledge about who is coming and going. Someone coming to work is most welcome, someone convicted of a murder in another country should not be, so we do need to know and filter who comes.

Fair points Jaxie, especially about checks as to who is entering

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Bloomberg

So some foreign news agency gets a couple of reports and the headline is racism on the rise]

what a load of fckg bollocks

[Crimson Dynamo]

People need to travel around the world a bit first and then judge the uk as racist


jesus wept

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So some foreign news agency gets a couple of reports and the headline is racism on the rise]

what a load of fckg bollocks

Racism is racism, a racist in the UK aren't any less of a racist just because it's worse somewhere else. Bringing other countries into it to make it seem less of a problem here is a foolish move.

A problem is still a problem and the increase in racism is something that must be dealt with.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Racism is racism, a racist in the UK aren't any less of a racist just because it's worse somewhere else. Bringing other countries into it to make it seem less of a problem here is a foolish move.

A problem is still a problem and the increase in racism is something that must be dealt with.

Well then you must deal with it by voting remain. Oh wait...most remainers didn't even bother to vote.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

But the post I was responding too was saying that it is racist to say that to non white people.

What race are poles? If I tell them to go home and I am white, how can that be racism?

Ok then, its discrimination against a slavic ethnic nation. Its still hatred against a type.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Well then you must deal with it by voting remain. Oh wait...most remainers didn't even bother to vote.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

But the post I was responding too was saying that it is racist to say that to non white people.

What race are poles? If I tell them to go home and I am white, how can that be racism?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.

Exactly, everyone should be condemning this, racism is deplorable no matter who it is used against.

[Liberty4eva]

The elite who ignored the wishes of their people when they brought in hundreds of thousands of "Syrians" (actually people from different countries) are most to blame for any perceived rise in racism. They and no one else. And actually all of the anger should be directed at the elite instead of the refugees. Europe needs to get them all out of office even if that means replacing them with nationalist parties. Just get rid of them. Get rid of all of them. And do it now because the clock is ticking on whether you can reverse this or at least contain it. And btw, Donald Trump is right when he used the poem "the vicious snake".

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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

The elite who ignored the wishes of their people when they brought in hundreds of thousands of "Syrians" (actually people from different countries) are most to blame for any perceived rise in racism. They and no one else. And actually all of the anger should be directed at the elite instead of the refugees. Europe needs to get them all out of office even if that means replacing them with nationalist parties. Just get rid of them. Get rid of all of them. And do it now because the clock is ticking on whether you can reverse this or at least contain it.

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No, racists are to blame for their own racism. Nobody is telling them to be racist, they're doing that all by themselves. There's plenty of people who were unhappy with how Germany handled the Immigration crisis without being racist.

Completely sick of people trying to explain away and justify racism.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..sadly, racism always had to there in the first place..it couldn't 'rise' from nothing..it could only become more vocal...

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[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Completely sick of people trying to explain away and justify racism.

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

Yes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

Befuddled that you think this is a tough question

Ten points to slythetin though, for prompting me to use the word "befuddled" for the first time ever in a real sentence.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Yes.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

That's not what you said, sweetheart.

You said that the 'elites' are to blame for a rise in racism therefore completely vindicating the actual racists for their actions. Not everyone who wants tighter immigration controls are racist but the ones that screech 'Go back to _____' at strangers in the street are.

Honestly, I'm getting real bored of bigots jumping through hoops to justify their own bigotry and the bigotry of others. You are responsible for your own actions and thoughts, you can't blame that **** on anyone else.