[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

As you say though.Brexit did'nt make these people racist.They almost certainly already were and would have been without Brexit.I don't think the referendum made people racist so finding a racist incident and titling it 'Racism on the rise in UK following EU referendum' is blatent propaganda to get people to read.Normal tolerant people aren't turning racist because we had a referendum.These people already existed long before.

Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.

[ThriceShy]

Looks like the worm has turned.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Looks like the worm has turned.

What worm? Robbie the Racism worm? Are you suggesting that this is a good thing?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What worm? Robbie the Racism worm? Are you suggesting that this is a good thing?

I’m a brexiteer and I certainly don’t think it’s a good thing. The ignorance I’ve heard coming out of some people’s mouths has disappointed me but not surprised me because we have had years of right wing propaganda trying to educate the uneducated. We have been played by the trash tabloids and channel 4 into believing immigrants are the cause of our crumbling Britain. We’ve watched the blue collar pretentious middle class turn against the working class and the working class turn against the destitute and whilst we were all fighting with one another, the Tories were doing their dirty business unhindered.

Of course false promises were made to get people to vote Brexit. I knew they were lies, I voiced my opinion about those lies even though I wanted out of the EU. There are some brexiteers on here who are going to be woefully disappointed because even if they are still clinging on to false hopes now, they will eventually discover they were duped.

This is why we can’t support pathetic creatures like BoJo or Kipper; two men who allowed, even encouraged a believe in a white alternative Britain. Shame on them for supporting this freedom of speech which has created untold grief to the hard working immigrants of this country.

I believe Britain will be better for leaving the EU but I can comfort myself in the FACT that immigration will still be a core benefit to our economy.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I’m a brexiteer and I certainly don’t think it’s a good thing. The ignorance I’ve heard coming out of some people’s mouths has disappointed me but not surprised me because we have had years of right wing propaganda trying to educate the uneducated. We have been played by the trash tabloids and channel 4 into believing immigrants are the cause of our crumbling Britain. We’ve watched the blue collar pretentious middle class turn against the working class and the working class turn against the destitute and whilst we were all fighting with one another, the Tories were doing their dirty business unhindered.

Of course false promises were made to get people to vote Brexit. I knew they were lies, I voiced my opinion about those lies even though I wanted out of the EU. There are some brexiteers on here who are going to be woefully disappointed because even if they are still clinging on to false hopes now, they will eventually discover they were duped.

This is why we can’t support pathetic creatures like BoJo or Kipper; two men who allowed, even encouraged a believe in a white alternative Britain. Shame on them for supporting this freedom of speech which has created untold grief to the hard working immigrants of this country.

I believe Britain will be better for leaving the EU but I can comfort myself in the FACT that immigration will still be a core benefit to our economy.

Bojo yes is a clown.Don't forget though that without Farage you wouldn't have been able to vote Brexit.I admire his persona and what he managed to do against all odds.However for me it is now time to move on from UKIP.They served their purpose.I agree that immigration is a benefit but it needs to be controlled and planned for rather than being left unchecked.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Bojo yes is a clown.Don't forget though that without Farage you wouldn't have been able to vote Brexit.I admire his persona and what he managed to do against all odds.However for me it is now time to move on from UKIP.They served their purpose.I agree that immigration is a benefit but it needs to be controlled and planned for rather than being left unchecked.

I fear you're going to be one of those disappointed Monkey; the big Brexit faces have ALREADY admitted that immigration numbers "probably won't" decrease. At all.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I fear you're going to be one of those disappointed Monkey; the big Brexit faces have ALREADY admitted that immigration numbers "probably won't" decrease. At all.

'Probably won't' is a better alternative to 'never can be though' and atleast we can now hold our government accountable for immigration rather than an organisation run by people we never elected or asked for and have no influence at all over.
PS i'm not one of those people who voted Brexit solely on immigration.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Bojo yes is a clown.Don't forget though that without Farage you wouldn't have been able to vote Brexit.I admire his persona and what he managed to do against all odds.However for me it is now time to move on from UKIP.They served their purpose.I agree that immigration is a benefit but it needs to be controlled and planned for rather than being left unchecked.

Are you talking about EU migration? because entrants needing visas are very heavily scrutinized by our immigration system. A friend of mine has been engaged to an African American for four years and for four years she’s been trying to get him over here without success. He’s been allowed to visit Britain but he’s not allowed to stay for anything other than a short holiday and its the same for her going to the U.S.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Are you talking about EU migration? because entrants needing visas are very heavily scrutinized by our immigration system. A friend of mine has been engaged to an African American for four years and for four years she’s been trying to get him over here without success. He’s been allowed to visit Britain but he’s not allowed to stay for anything other than a short holiday and its the same for her going to the U.S.

Well immigration in general needs to be checked and planned for.All immigration could be handled better but it's predominantly EU immigration that's currently letting the side down as it is uncontrollable until we fully get out.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.

Brexit supporters in the main probably are just as keen to stamp it out.There are racist people who will obviously jump on the referendum to vent their views but that does'nt represent all or even most of the leave side.
I don't think the Brexit result is 'borne of xenophobia and isolationism'.There will obviously be elements who voted for it for those reasons but those elements are a minority.
Having the ability to decide who you want to enter your borders is not xenophobic and nobody is saying we will be isolated(well apart from remain scaremongerers of course).
I also don't think that believing that a country's infrastructure can only take so much and there has to be an upper limit somewhere is xenophobic.No government has been able to build enough housing and just piling in more and more people only takes that situation further out of reach.Mass uncontrollable immigration just adds unnecessary pressure and is not the answer.That is not xenophobic rhetoric it's just the truth.Brexit makes controlling the numbers more possible than it was.Atleast now there is'nt a whole continent with free reign to come in with us having no say of who or how many.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Brexit supporters in the main probably are just as keen to stamp it out.There are racist people who will obviously jump on the referendum to vent their views but that does'nt represent all or even most of the leave side.
I don't think the Brexit result is 'borne of xenophobia and isolationism'.There will obviously be elements who voted for it for those reasons but those elements are a minority.
Having the ability to decide who you want to enter your borders is not xenophobic and nobody is saying we will be isolated(well apart from remain scaremongerers of course).
I also don't think that believing that a country's infrastructure can only take so much and there has to be an upper limit somewhere is xenophobic.No government has been able to build enough housing and just piling in more and more people only takes that situation further out of reach.Mass uncontrollable immigration just adds unnecessary pressure and is not the answer.That is not xenophobic rhetoric it's just the truth.Brexit makes controlling the numbers more possible than it was.Atleast now there is'nt a whole continent with free reign to come in with us having no say of who or how many.

It's doesn't matter if it truly *is* xenophobic or isolationist, though, if that perception starts to creep out internationally, the truth is irrelevant. These people, though a minority, are shouting the loudest and that will be a major issue... Its all about appearances.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Open free-range racism on the rise should be just as concerning, though. It starts with people feeling bolstered in saying whatever they want, leads to further dehumanisation, and that inevitably leads to violence. It's a very slippery slope and tbh "Brexit" supporters should be as keen as everyone else (if not moreso) to stamp it out quickly... It's a strong indicator to the world that the Brexit result is borne of xenophobia and isolationism and for a country that is soon going to be scrabbling for "new trade deals", that dent in international perception is a major problem.

Exactly, everyone should be condemning this, racism is deplorable no matter who it is used against.

[Liberty4eva]

The elite who ignored the wishes of their people when they brought in hundreds of thousands of "Syrians" (actually people from different countries) are most to blame for any perceived rise in racism. They and no one else. And actually all of the anger should be directed at the elite instead of the refugees. Europe needs to get them all out of office even if that means replacing them with nationalist parties. Just get rid of them. Get rid of all of them. And do it now because the clock is ticking on whether you can reverse this or at least contain it. And btw, Donald Trump is right when he used the poem "the vicious snake".

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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

The elite who ignored the wishes of their people when they brought in hundreds of thousands of "Syrians" (actually people from different countries) are most to blame for any perceived rise in racism. They and no one else. And actually all of the anger should be directed at the elite instead of the refugees. Europe needs to get them all out of office even if that means replacing them with nationalist parties. Just get rid of them. Get rid of all of them. And do it now because the clock is ticking on whether you can reverse this or at least contain it.

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No, racists are to blame for their own racism. Nobody is telling them to be racist, they're doing that all by themselves. There's plenty of people who were unhappy with how Germany handled the Immigration crisis without being racist.

Completely sick of people trying to explain away and justify racism.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Completely sick of people trying to explain away and justify racism.

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

Yes.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Yes.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

Befuddled that you think this is a tough question

Ten points to slythetin though, for prompting me to use the word "befuddled" for the first time ever in a real sentence.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

That's not what you said, sweetheart.

You said that the 'elites' are to blame for a rise in racism therefore completely vindicating the actual racists for their actions. Not everyone who wants tighter immigration controls are racist but the ones that screech 'Go back to _____' at strangers in the street are.

Honestly, I'm getting real bored of bigots jumping through hoops to justify their own bigotry and the bigotry of others. You are responsible for your own actions and thoughts, you can't blame that **** on anyone else.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

If they've come here illegally then no it's not racist/xenophobic.