[billy123]

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

Now that was refreshing ty

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

WOW - He absolutely NAILS it. "The working Classes made the difference" One in the eye for the pro-EU 'Labour Party' and their false 'socialism', AND for all the deluded Labour supporters who 'toed the party line' and voted 'Remain' thinking that the Federalist anti-democratic, elitist, EU did not PREY on the working classes and most vulnerable, steal their money, and divert into the already swollen coffers of the corporations and top 10% elite.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why is this relevant to the referendum?

or is every racist attack now attributed to the referendum because it makes remainers feel better?

Hate crime should make nobody feel better.

Of course it can't be factually attached to the Referendum as hate crimes happen in this country every single day, but it's convenient that it seems to be in bigger numbers after the Referendum result than it was before the Referendum result.

In fact I miss the days when the verbal abuse on the Train was the biggest deal of racism in the country.

[_Tom_]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

Love that

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Hate crime should make nobody feel better.

Of course it can't be factually attached to the Referendum as hate crimes happen in this country every single day, but it's convenient that it seems to be in bigger numbers after the Referendum result than it was before the Referendum result.

In fact I miss the days when the verbal abuse on the Train was the biggest deal of racism in the country.

Even Police forces have said it is on the rise considerably since the referendum campaign and result Mock.

However the Police are likely lying too, anyone is that finds fault with the campaign with this result.

They seem to forget an MP was brutally murdered for her views on immigration and supporting refugees, when did that last happen for that reason, in the UK for goodness sake.
Another MP is standing down because during the campaign and afterwards she is getting death threats.

It will be nothing at all to do with that vile campaigning and posters and the tone as to immigration though but in my view it for sure is..

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by bobnot

This sums it up pretty well for me.

(Some bad Language so if you are a sensitive flower dont ****ing watch it)

Youtube video

One of his best this

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It will be nothing at all to do with that vile campaigning and posters and the tone as to immigration though but in my view it for sure is..

American Jimmy Dore gets it right

Youtube video

https://

Quote: “the driving force (behind support for Brexit, and Trump) is economic insecurity and economic insecurity makes people vulnerable to racist demagogues”

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

WOW - He absolutely NAILS it.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Love that

Guys you do understand that he's saying what I've been saying all week, right? That the austerity+capitalism focused far right Tories have duped a gullible and disenfranchised working class into voting out of the EU, and in doing so, those very people have placed themselves at the mercy of undiluted, full on Tory austerity and cruelty?

Yes he's saying to stop the petty squabbling... But he's saying "Stop it, you're going to need your strength, because you have left yourself at the mercy of the worst and least caring politicians this country has to offer".

You're all clapping an absolutely massive anti-Brexit rant... And not just that... A doomsday rant. You know. The sort of thing you've been laughing at all week?

Very confused.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Guys you do understand that he's saying what I've been saying all week, right? That the austerity+capitalism focused far right Tories have duped a gullible and disenfranchised working class into voting out of the EU, and in doing so, those very people have placed themselves at the mercy of undiluted, full on Tory austerity and cruelty?

Yes he's saying to stop the petty squabbling... But he's saying "Stop it, you're going to need your strength, because you have left yourself at the mercy of the worst and least caring politicians this country has to offer".

You're all clapping an absolutely massive anti-Brexit rant... And not just that... A doomsday rant. You know. The sort of thing you've been laughing at all week?

Very confused.

He clearly was a remainer but that wasn't the point of his video.

quote "Yes, there were thousands of horrible racist, bigoted stupid twats in this countr but to accuse 17.5 million people outright of bigotry and stupidity. If you do that you shut the argument down; if you refuse to engage in argument you will lose the argument. This anger and blame is being misdirected"

quote "Its time to stop moping about, stop signing meaningless petitions and stop hurling insults"

quote "Why are old people allowed to vote?
Why are people who live outside London allowed to vote?
why are white men who read the Daily Mail allowed to vote"
Because that's democracy and if you don't like it then fcuk off and go and live in North Korea"

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He clearly was a remainer but that wasn't the point of his video.

quote "Yes, there were thousands of horrible racist, bigoted stupid twats in this countr but to accuse 17.5 million people outright of bigotry and stupidity. If you do that you shut the argument down; if you refuse to engage in argument you will lose the argument. This anger and blame is being misdirected"

quote "Its time to stop moping about, stop signing meaningless petitions and stop hurling insults"

quote "Why are old people allowed to vote?
Why are people who live outside London allowed to vote?
why are white men who read the Daily Mail allowed to vote"
Because that's democracy and if you don't like it then fcuk off and go and live in North Korea"

EXACTLY.

[user104658]

Except that no one has ever realistically accused all 17 million leave voters of being racists, and I haven't seen anyone actually suggest that subsections of society should be banned from voting either.

This applause seems very cherry picked. When he says that people need to stop moaning and petitioning etc. he's certainly not saying the same thing that most people are (which is essentially "put up and shut up that's Democracy")... He's saying wake up and change your focus, Britain has been DAMAGED by this vote, and if people don't rally themselves now they're going to be blind-sided by some of the worst politicians, potentially one of the worst governments, that this country has known in modern times. I'm amazed that people are managing to skim over this, pick out and applaud the minor parts of what he's saying that they happen to like ("yay! He's telling them to quit whining!") whilst somehow completely overlooking the bulk of his reasoning and argument.

I agree with everything he says; the only difference being that I don't see much point in wasting time and energy "rallying our strength" now because the sh*t-train we're on can't be stopped, slowed down or redirected. We're on it to the end of the line now. Choo choo!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Except that no one has ever realistically accused all 17 million leave voters of being racists, and I haven't seen anyone actually suggest that subsections of society should be banned from voting either.

This applause seems very cherry picked. When he says that people need to stop moaning and petitioning etc. he's certainly not saying the same thing that most people are (which is essentially "put up and shut up that's Democracy")... He's saying wake up and change your focus, Britain has been DAMAGED by this vote, and if people don't rally themselves now they're going to be blind-sided by some of the worst politicians, potentially one of the worst governments, that this country has known in modern times. I'm amazed that people are managing to skim over this, pick out and applaud the minor parts of what he's saying that they happen to like ("yay! He's telling them to quit whining!") whilst somehow completely overlooking the bulk of his reasoning and argument.

I agree with everything he says; the only difference being that I don't see much point in wasting time and energy "rallying our strength" now because the sh*t-train we're on can't be stopped, slowed down or redirected. We're on it to the end of the line now. Choo choo!

..yeah, it's a 'be careful what you wish for' type thing really in saying that there are not going to be any 'winners' here that he can see../which is a vein of thought of many, I think...the only thing that I could add really to what you've said is that ..(and I agree with him that it only 'shuts down' these feelings of racial prejudice etc..)... then he's more or less advocating in 'shutting down', himself of almost half the population and their heightened fears and emotions right now...you can't really get much more shutting down than put up or shut up, tbh....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Except that no one has ever realistically accused all 17 million leave voters of being racists, and I haven't seen anyone actually suggest that subsections of society should be banned from voting either.

This applause seems very cherry picked. When he says that people need to stop moaning and petitioning etc. he's certainly not saying the same thing that most people are (which is essentially "put up and shut up that's Democracy")... He's saying wake up and change your focus, Britain has been DAMAGED by this vote, and if people don't rally themselves now they're going to be blind-sided by some of the worst politicians, potentially one of the worst governments, that this country has known in modern times. I'm amazed that people are managing to skim over this, pick out and applaud the minor parts of what he's saying that they happen to like ("yay! He's telling them to quit whining!") whilst somehow completely overlooking the bulk of his reasoning and argument.

I agree with everything he says; the only difference being that I don't see much point in wasting time and energy "rallying our strength" now because the sh*t-train we're on can't be stopped, slowed down or redirected. We're on it to the end of the line now. Choo choo!

What he was saying is, although he didn’t vote brexit, he understands why people did.
One of his quotes… “The remain argument was, “stay as we are OR risk uncertainty” If you’ve got nothing, why would you vote to stay as you are? At least with uncertainty there’s some hope that things might change. If I was in that position I would take uncertainty over nothing and why have they got nothing? Because austerity has systematically taken from the poorest in this country until they’ve got nothing left.”

He understands both sides and I think a lot of us understand both sides. He’s also saying, in a very frustrated way, lets march forward with what we’ve got because if we don’t, the Tory’s are going to take advantage of this and I agree.

[arista]

The Poor Voted Out of EU

Thats is there Fecking Right



There are some Criminals - that need to be arrested
as they break our RACE LAWS

[user104658]

He specifically states that people he believes exploited that uncertainty and people's vulnerability to their own dishonest ends. He's very clear that he thinks people were wrong to think that this will make things better, and that they have doomed themselves to ever-harsher austerity under even worse people.

So far he is 100% correct, just look at the monsters looming on the hill now.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He specifically states that people he believes exploited that uncertainty and people's vulnerability to their own dishonest ends. He's very clear that he thinks people were wrong to think that this will make things better, and that they have doomed themselves to ever-harsher austerity under even worse people.

So far he is 100% correct, just look at the monsters looming on the hill now.

Nobody is disputing that but he’s also saying, lets stop this divide. Its a message to all of us, not just the remain voters.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Nobody is disputing that but he’s also saying, lets stop this divide. Its a message to all of us, not just the remain voters.

True, and then we can usher in a new era of fairness and social justice.

... Can anyone even say it with a straight face?

[Ammi]

..it's a message that's very ill-timed though and when he talks or fake rants about 'engaging people', then it's the timing of that engagement as well that's extremely relevant..it's the right 'listening time' also and actually probably the most important thing with 'messages'...yes, we don't have any chance of moving forward into anything that could possible bring any types of positive unless we move forward together.../a nation divided is the worst possible part of this outcome/how close the vote was....but it's essentially like a period of mourning of a separation atm..our 'marriage' to the EU as it's been described...and that has many things that many people need to feel and not be 'shut down' from feeling atm, these are the natural processes that are needed to enable any 'moving on' to be a possibility at all.... 'putting up and shutting up' as he's advocating basically, will only delay the process, not accelerate it....

[Tom4784]

As ever, TS is completely right.

It's funny that people are applauding that video when it's basically condemning them for choosing to leave.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As ever, TS is completely right.

It's funny that people are applauding that video when it's basically condemning them for choosing to leave.

That’s what you choose to see Dezzy, its not what I see.

Ammi has got this right. He said all the right things but possibly at the wrong time. I never thought of this as a period of mourning Ammi but you’re right.
Here’s me thinking we just need to get on with things now but perhaps I’m being too impatient.

I’ve spent the last week laying low on here because there are too many people who seem to be gleeful about the clusterfcuk going on. I didn’t expect Cameron to resign because he told his nation he wouldn’t but then went back on his word. I didn’t expect the left, who had a fantastic opportunity, would turn on Corbyn and bring the Labour party into disrepute but I did expect the stock market would fall, that we probably would be faced with QE and we would all be hitting the bunkers for a while.

I'm sick to death of people wallowing in the results and rubbing salt into wounds but I'm equally sickened by the ‘sky is falling in’ brigade who seriously want this country to fall apart. Frankly, this forum group has become trapped in a tit for tat war of words. Its a shame but it is what it is and so for the time being I'll be opting out of any further discussions on here re-brexit.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That’s what you choose to see Dezzy, its not what I see.

Ammi has got this right. He said all the right things but possibly at the wrong time. I never thought of this as a period of mourning Ammi but you’re right.
Here’s me thinking we just need to get on with things now but perhaps I’m being too impatient.

I’ve spent the last week laying low on here because there are too many people who seem to be gleeful about the clusterfcuk going on. I didn’t expect Cameron to resign because he told his nation he wouldn’t but then went back on his word. I didn’t expect the left, who had a fantastic opportunity, would turn on Corbyn and bring the Labour party into disrepute but I did expect the stock market would fall, that we probably would be faced with QE and we would all be hitting the bunkers for a while.

I'm sick to death of people wallowing in the results and rubbing salt into wounds but I'm equally sickened by the ‘sky is falling in’ brigade who seriously want this country to fall apart. Frankly, this forum group has become trapped in a tit for tat war of words. Its a shame but it is what it is and so for the time being I'll be opting out of any further discussions on here re-brexit.

Of course that is your choice! I haven't told anyone what to post or what not to post and I am sick and tired of being told that I shouldn't speak about anything negative that has happened or might happen, I'm pretty sure no one wants the UK to fail, as it impacts on our lives so much, I would love for some one to come on here and reassure me that everything is going to be okay and back it up with some facts, the truth is we are going to live with uncertainty for at least the next two years

[arista]

"I am sick and tired of being told that I shouldn't speak about anything negative that has happened or might happen"

Yes You tell them Lady
I am glad you post on SD
you are a Star

[_Tom_]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As ever, TS is completely right.

It's funny that people are applauding that video when it's basically condemning them for choosing to leave.

Except he isn't condemning the voters - his very line is "if the voters vote the "wrong way" that's the politicians' fault and yet people are throwing insults at the voters" - he's condemning the politicians for not being engaging with their argument.